Re: Broadwoodgrand°1894

[Danny Boddin]

I agree, I asked Ciresa the same questions. Since there is no crown left
after more than 100 years they have no reference
to the original shape, they 'redisign' it probably by compare and copy from
other branches, I know  it will not be a real Broadwood anymore, I trust
their skills and experience since I have non in that mather.

You didn't see the old action yet, but since it's so different we intend to
replace it by a modern standard one. The mean
thin(g)(k) will be to design a valid ratio. Next week David Stanwood will be
at our workshop for PTD training, after that we hope we will get a better
vew on that matter. Yes this Broadwood will become a kind of hybridpiano but
for  shore it will be fun to play on it when it's finished.
Danny Boddin
Ternat Belgium

----- Original Message -----
From: Farrell <mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com>
To: Pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 4:16 AM
Subject: Re: Broadwoodgrand°1894


> "Since the soundboard is not very standard we send it to Ciresacompany to
> make an exact duplication."
>
> Easy to duplicate the board thickness, and rib dimensions and arrangement.
How do you duplicate the original rib radius - if any? How do you duplicate
the original rib gluing press radius? How do you duplicate the original
panel moisture content at rib glue-up?
>
> Not picking on you Danny. But I always wonder how boards are "duplicated".
In fact, except perhaps for Steinway, which I think are fairly well
documented, most "duplicated" boards are a redesign - but I wonder how much
thought goes into the effects of redesigning the board.
>
> Very interesting tuning pin set-up. I certainly have a few wild thoughts,
but none based on experience.
>
> Terry Farrell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Danny Boddin" <danny.boddin@pandora.be>
> To: "Pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 5:17 PM
> Subject: Re: Broadwoodgrand°1894
>
>
> Probably we will take out the plate and plug the pinblock. Plate is not
> embedded.
> The plate is 2cm = 25/32  thick, it will be difficult to drill out bigger
> holes in a steady way? if it's possible do we also have to plug the plate
> with 2 cm long woodendowels, will the pin be steady with this procedure?
we
> better  keep the threads in the plateholes ? and use normal new pins that
we
> tread the same way as the originals? We let you know.
>
> Since the soundboard is not very standard we send it to Ciresacompany to
> make an exact duplication, for more normal
> standard soundboards you can just send a plan and some ribs. I visited
the
> company during the Europianoconvention 2000. Look at www.ciresafiemme.it
> Danny Boddin
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Farrell <mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com>
> To: Pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 2:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Broadwoodgrand°1894
>
>
> > Impressive looking piano. Thanks for posting the picture.
> >
> > I have no experience with this type of piano. But it looks like you are
> doing a very thorough job in general, why skimp on the pinblock? If you
want
> to avoid replacement because of difficulty, etc., first make sure the
> pinblock is intact and very well secured in place, and then consider
either
> cutting out the tuning pin area of the block and epoxy-ing in new pinblock
> material, or plugging with 1/2" plugs. Both these procedures would require
> removal of the forward plate-lette. If the plate holes are bigger than the
> pin, you could drill out the tuning pin holes with whatever size hole is
in
> the plate and plug with that size plug without removing the plate. I guess
> you could also drill out the plate holes bigger and use bigger plugs -
like
> 3/8" or so - but that seems like a pretty brutal thing to do to a lovely
old
> piano.
> >
> > I can't imagine the plate could be that hard to remove. Likely the
> pinblock is mortised into the case, etc., but does it appear that the
plate
> is also imbedded into the case somehow? If it is only screwed and maybe
> glued to the pinblock, I would sure be tempted to do a little bit of
gentle
> prying.
> >
> > And please, what is a new "ciresa" soundboard? How did you go about
> arriving at a rib and panel design for the instrument? Please let us know
> what you end up doing with the pinblock, etc. I had looked at one of these
> pianos a while back. If I had the $$ I would have bought it. I would like
to
> try one of these sometime in the future.
> >
> > Terry Farrell
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Danny Boddin" <danny.boddin@pandora.be>
> > To: "Pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org>
> > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 5:07 PM
> > Subject: Broadwoodgrand°1894
> >
> >
> > This Broadwood has oblong threaded tuningpins which go into the plate
> before
> > they catch the pinblock.
> > We intend to replace them with the same size normal tuningpins which
first
> > will get a thread of the same dimension.
> > Nicer looking and easier tuning.
> > Do you think this will work? I mean, will this piano hold his tuning
> > afterwards? The pinblock itself is in good condition and we prefer not
to
> > replace it: the plate seems to be glued on it, probably difficult to
> remove
> > or not? Meaby we can put some epoxy
> > in the pinblockholes for better fix of the new pins?
> >
> > This 2 meter grand will get a new ciresa soundboard. Any idea what kind
of
> > strings and best sounding scale we can use for restringing? I'm scared
to
> > use the 'pure sound' since even with the right calculated scaling up to
> the
> > specifications from Juan Mas Cabré in some grands we restrung some
strings
> > broke after a while and even one year later.
> > Thanks,
> > Danny Boddin
> > Ternat, Belgium
> >
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