Bill Ballard wrote: > At 4:17 PM +0200 6/14/03, Richard Brekne wrote: > >But now that we are on the same > >page about whether or not the choice of springs visa vi leads results in a > >significant difference in how the action behaves, I'm sure its also > >easy to see > >that at least some portion of this is going to necessarilly fall > >into a more or > >less subjective category which will be hard to quantify in terms of > >performance > >shortcomings. > > I could think of some mechanical studies. At one point I wanted to > find out if the hammer tail and the backchecks were ever in contact > during deep and fast repetition. I mean, that's what this kind of > repetition seems to ask for (among other things). So I fantasied an > electrical circuit which would be completed by contact between these > two parts, a brass mesh grid wrapped around the hammer tail and a > single flattened wire running down the face of the backcheck. Anytime > the two touch, an indicator bulb would come on. The same set-up could > monitor decoupling between a capstan and a wippen heel cushion. > > To provide mechanized fast repetition, Bill Spurlock once mounted an > eccentric wheel in the chuck of a 3/8" drill, attached it to a bench > and set an action model in front of it. The action noise was very > loud, he said, and the friction from the wheel melted a hole in the > keytop. I would imagine a solenoid capable of delivering 1kg of > force, with variable excursion, in continuous cycles of up to 15/sec. > With knobs to set all of these. The mounting of this in relation to > the key could include actuating the key, beginning at half stroke. > (Not just fast but deep repetition, also.) > > >Some folks are just plain going to like the feel of lead driven > >counterbalancing > >compared to springs or magnets. > > As we heard of Don Mannino, and as we would expect of many > generations of pianists raised on pianos with conventional levels of > inertia. > > >Grin... we are going in circles me thinks.... > > We've been going around in circles for a while. I just don't know > who's Fred and who's Ginger. <g> > > >I dont believe there exists a desirable BW/FW combination that > >cannot be accomplished without the use of assist springs. I also > >dont believe there exists a desirable SW level that cannot > >be comfortably counterbalanced with leads and an appropriate ratio. > > Yep, we can leave it at that, with user-defined values such as > "desirable", "comfortable", and "appropriate". No problem. > > >In fact, Stephen's slopes would seem to be telling us that the adjustment > >of BW should be done from exactly a mass standpoint instead. > > What he has said so far is that using mass in the key sick to adjust > BW should also comply with how that mass is also determining the > key's moment of inertia. Which is to say that you pick one spot to > make your mass adjustments (which determines the force on inertia to > be encountered), and that you vary the size of that mass to determine > the force of gravity to be encountered. But that's when what you're > employing to adjust BW is mass, and not say another force, say > magnetism or deformation of an elastic material. > > I think Stephen needs some more cookies. > > Bill Ballard RPT > NH Chapter, P.T.G. > > "Talking about music is like dancing about architecture" > ...........Steve Martin > > _______________________________________________ > pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives -- Richard Brekne RPT, N.P.T.F. UiB, Bergen, Norway mailto:rbrekne@broadpark.no http://home.broadpark.no/~rbrekne/ricmain.html http://www.hf.uib.no/grieg/personer/cv_RB.html
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