Accu-Tuner ad

[Joe And Penny Goss]

Hi Corte,
My take would be that all unisons should be attempted to be tuned by ear.
The tool is just a tool to use. Tuning the unisons by ear at first will be
slower but will soon be faster than using an ETD. But every once in a while
I come to a string or two that are so wild that it gets the single string
treatment. Then the results are checked with the ear. At times the results
just confirm what the ear has already done and other times the tool allows
me to get the unison so close that the slightest movement of the worst
string will result in the taming of that unison.
Boy has this topic gotten off the original line <G>
Joe Goss
imatunr@srvinet.com
www.mothergoosetools.com
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To: "Pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 8:03 AM
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> Isaac,
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> I'm not recommending that people tune unisons by the machine.  This is
> definitely not the way to go as all unisons should be tuned by ear.
> However, a new tuner that is just starting, can get good practice by using
> an ETD to measure each string of a unison.
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> Corte Swearingen
> Chicago
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> Corte,
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> I dont believe in that, the eye is too slow, if you have to look at
> the display and you tune to stabilise it, not sure that the unissons
> are at their best.
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> A good unisson (for me) project out of the piano and looking at a
> display at that moment , I can't catch that. May be its just me.
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> Best Regards
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> Isaac OLEG
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> > De : pianotech-bounces@ptg.org
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> > part de cswearingen@daigger.com
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> > Ed,
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> > I agree with you on this but I still feel an ETD can be
> > useful in learning
> > to tune unisons.  However, I think it is best to choose
> > notes in the middle
> > of the instrument and not at the extreme ends.
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> > On the Verituner, all the strings must be in perfect unison
> > before the
> > spinner will stabilize.
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> > Of course, when tuning in real life, all unisons must be
> > tuned by ear.
> >
> > Corte Swearingen
> > Chicago
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> >                       11/07/2003 02:14
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> > Corte writes:
> > <<  Then, after I did the best job I could on the
> > temperament, I would check each note and see what the cents
> > offset was on
> > the Verituner.  This was very helpful in sharpening my aural skills.
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> > You can do the same with unisons.  Set a three-string
> > unison the best you
> > can and then use the ETD to measure the relative
> > differences between the
> > left/center string and the right/center string. >>
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> > I don't trust the machines to tune unisons.  They cannot
> > distinguish phase
> > differences, nor the effects of coupling at the bridge.
> > When I tuned a
> > piano's
> > worth of unisons strictly by the machine, there were
> > perhaps 1/3 of them
> > that
> > didn't sound like the rest, even though the machine said
> > that those unisons
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> > shared identical partials that had been measured.
> >   In order for me to get all my unisons alike, I have to
> > tune one of the
> > three strings aurally, after I have set the other two.
> > There are just too
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> > variables in three imperfect "generators" trying to agree
> > for a machine to
> > get
> > them all the same.
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> > Regards,
> >
> > Ed Foote RPT
> > http://www.uk-piano.org/edfoote/index.html
> > www.uk-piano.org/edfoote/well_tempered_piano.html
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> > MP3.com: Six Degrees of Tonality</A>
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