Help with "bad" g...need help

pianolover 88 pianolover88@hotmail.com
Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:31:30 -0800


Also check to see if the pins are sufficiently tight, and that the coils are 
neat with no gaps. Check the bridges for large cracks and so on to make 
certain that the problem is not structural. Where is the piano located in 
the house? Is it next to a heat register or up against a window? Was the 
piano recently restrung? (that's a pretty unlilkely one). Of course, as some 
have stated, it could simply be a less than solid tuning. I ALWAYS use 
solid, firm test blows to fully render/equalize and set each and every 
string; don't  be afraid   to do this, as it will help to assure better, 
longer lasting results. You also must know how to set a tuning pin so it 
WILL NOT move. Knowledge is one thing; technique is another. Both can be 
learned. When I first started in  this business, my mentor said: "on 
average, a newbie needs to tune  about 1,000 pianos until he/she is 
proficient." Seems like a lot, but basically the longer your at it, the 
better you'll get, providing you have the will and basic skills to build on
Terry Peterson



----Original Message Follows----
From: "David Love" <davidlovepianos@comcast.net>
Reply-To: Pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org>
To: "'Pianotech'" <pianotech@ptg.org>
Subject: RE: Help with "bad" tuning...need help
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 20:06:13 -0800

Since you are a new tuner (and even if you weren’t), you should go back
and find out what is at issue.  Schedule it at your convenience but
don’t wait too long.  You need to find out if the problem is yours, not
setting solid unisons, or one of the piano continuing to drift off pitch
from a large pitch raise.  If you have an ETD you will be able to
measure the pitch drift if you set the pitch at A440.  A piano that is ¼
step flat is significantly out of tune and may not stabilize even after
a pitch raise and fine tuning.  Check to be sure that the piano is not
sitting over a heater vent or is otherwise in an unstable room in the
house.  If the problem is yours fix it.  If the pitch is still drifting
tell them that you should have explained that after a significant pitch
raise the piano may not achieve stability right away and sometimes
requires another tuning sooner than it would otherwise.  If that is the
case, suggest that the piano sit for another couple of weeks and
schedule another tuning for which they will have to pay full fee.  If
the problem is yours--unstable unisons--tell them that more frequent
tunings will help insure greater stability between tunings and try and
schedule the next appointment.  Above all, be relaxed and confident.

David Love
davidlovepianos@comcast.net
-----Original Message-----
From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On
Behalf Of Doug Renz Piano Tuning
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 5:52 PM
To: pianotech@ptg.org
Subject: Help with "bad" tuning...need help

As a new piano tuner, I am learning a lot as I go and tune different
piano’s and typically I am tuning the older piano’s and some new/better
ones.  This past Sat. I tuned a piano for a home that had a console
that had never been tuned ‘in a long time’. I warned them that I might
break strings and that it will go out of tune quickly because of the
condition
of the strings and the piano itself. Well I was called back by
the customer saying ‘the piano is still out of tune and you must not
have checked it before you left’.  Before I left I told him, ‘your piano
is most likely going to go flat somewhat because it has not been tuned
at all in such a long time (20+ yrs) and that it should tuned every 6
months. The
piano was old and recently had some action work, but the strings looked
old and dirty.  I was careful not to break any strings and when I left
it sounded
good and the funny thing was the customer said it sounded good after I
finished.
It was not that out of tune, A440 sounded like it was between g-sharp
and a, but
not an entire half/step off.

So, what do I do now? Has anyone been in my shoes before? Go back and
do a ‘free’ fix it up tuning, or tell him, he has to pay for a 2nd
tuning. Is this
going to risk my reputation? He had the action done by another local PTG
member
and I am afraid that if I don’t go back and ‘fix’ this, I am going to
get that
reputation and the other PTG member might tell others about the ‘part
time’ tooner,
which I do not want to be and this is why I joined the PTG, to get
better. Any
thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated.

I thought the tuning was good, inspite of the condition of the piano and
the strings.
It sounded alot better, but I knew it was going to need another tuning
soon.

Any advice, thoughts?

Thanks.
Doug Renz
Associate PTG member, Rochester, NY



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