It is really simple...have someone else do the cutting. David I. ----- Original message ----------------------------------------> From: Sarah Fox <sarah@graphic-fusion.com> To: Pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org> Received: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 22:33:30 -0500 Subject: Re: SawStop safety table saw >Hi Greg, >My dad was an architect, so I've been around the construction for a huge >chunk of my life. I've known a few VERY careful professionals who have >removed parts of their bodies, including a very good friend, who chopped her >left index finger off with a miter saw. All it takes is a bit of fatigue >and a fleeting moment of inattention. While I, too, squirm at the thought >of more government regulations, I'm also baffled at why people don't WANT or >even DEMAND these sorts of safety features on their equipment! They're >similar to the folks who drive without seat belts and leave loaded, unlocked >guns around for their kids to play with. They think that accidents always >happen to OTHER people. >When groaning about the added cost of safety equipment, don't forget to >weigh that cost against the cost of reattachment surgery, down-time, and >impaired functionality. What's the real cost? What is the fraction of >people you know, of your skill level and attention to safety, who have >de-fingered themselves? Multiply that fraction by ten or twenty thousand >(or much more) dollars. That's your estimated lifetime cost of finger loss, >on average, thinking like a gambler. Now compare that cost against the cost >of the equipment. >And that's just dollars and cents. How much are your fingers really worth >to you? Much more than the cost of reattachment surgery? (Mine are.) >I applaud the technology -- "air bags" for power tools. You can bet that my >next table saw will have one, provided it's available. >Peace, >Sarah >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Greg Newell" <gnewell@ameritech.net> >To: "Pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org> >Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 3:51 PM >Subject: Re: SawStop safety table saw >> Not only that Cy and Ron but the first I heard of this unit, the inventor >> was pushing to get this as a mandatory thing for all saws sold. Trying to >> work himself into guaranteed profits it sounds like. Besides even the >> unseemliness of that do we really need one more level of government >> involved demanding that we have safeguards on our equipment? When will we >> learn? Some things are just inherently dangerous. Can't we just understand >> that and exercise caution without something more being demanded of us? >> This item would certainly cost more and break down on occasion. I, for >> one, am not willing to undergo more expense for someone's careless >> behavior that cost them a finger. Why punish everyone for something like >> that? As an add on? Fine! As mandatory? I'm against it %1000. >> >> my 2 cents >> >> Greg Newell >> >> >> >> >> At 03:27 PM 12/22/2004, you wrote: >> >>>>Ron, why wouldn't professional woodworkers like it? What are the >>>>downsides, besides the initial expense? (Assuming you don't trigger the >>>>safety device a few times a day...) >>>> >>>>--Cy Shuster-- >>> >>> >>>Hi Cy, >>>Typically, the first thing the professional does is take off all the OSHA >>>approved guards and toss them in the shed. They tend to want to be able to >>>see the blade so they know where their hands are in relation to it. In >>>this case, the brake doesn't create a hazard by hiding the blade, but it >>>adds extra cost for magic that looks altogether too good to be believable. >>>Professionals tend to get hurt on table saws by kick-backs while sawing >>>something. Can this braking system tell the difference between cutting a >>>piece of maple and cutting a piece of maple AND a couple of fingers? Seems >>>like that's asking a lot, especially to a professional who has spent a lot >>>of years experiencing the limitations as well as the capabilities of >>>machinery. It supposedly can, but how far can it be trusted, what kind of >>>maintenance is required, does it reset automatically, and do you have to >>>risk an occasional hot dog to verify that it is still working? Electronic >>>ignitions come to mind. I've spent thousands of dollars through the years >>>having electronic ignition systems on furnaces and cars repaired >>>(replaced, actually), when I could have fixed something with a standing >>>pilot or gapped points easily, cheaply, and quickly myself. Does it affect >>>changing blades quickly and easily? Maybe I'm wrong, but professionals >>>I've known want simple sturdy precise indestructible machinery that >>>doesn't get in their way, or depend on something they can't see to work. >>>Ah, that's another thing I didn't read. Will a saw thus equipped still >>>work if the sensor dies, or is there a "dead man" switch that shuts down >>>the power? Is it self-diagnostic? Can replacement parts be gotten for >>>self-maintenance, or is the saw down until it can go in to the service >>>center for authorized, and presumably expensive, repair? None of this >>>would look awfully good to the professional. Is there a site that has some >>>detailed practical information? >>> >>>Ron N >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives >> >> Greg Newell >> Greg's piano Forté >> mailto:gnewell@ameritech.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives >> >> >_______________________________________________ >pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives
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