P12 in Tunelab Pro / P12 theoretical basics

Richard Brekne Richard.Brekne@grieg.uib.no
Thu, 03 Jun 2004 07:52:17 +0200


Bernhard Stopper wrote:

>Not exactly, since you should take  440 * 3,somewhat^(1/19) (because of
>inharmonicity of the 3rd harmonic what is not negligible at this point). 
>
Yes... thats what I actually do... except that I dont use the 19th root, 
I use Scotts quadratic interpolation with A3 set to a just 6:3 octave in 
to A4.  Yeilds a curved line instead a straight one.  But for the 
purpose of example below I used 440 as a base frequency for both.  
Inharmonicity here should be predictable enought according to the major 
ETD authors that the resulting difference will be the same anyways.


>But
>i think we can say that the aural integration of the octave spectrum fits
>much better to inharmonicity in P12 than with standard-ET octaves. (The
>"acoustic octave" effect.)
>
>friendly wishes.
>
>Bernhard
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Cheers
RicB

>>Hi Bernhard
>>
>>Hi again Bernhard
>>
>>So lets put this into some more perspective... this is getting really
>>interesting by the way... my attention is really caught !
>>
>>The pythagorean comma of roughly 23.46 is usually divided into 12 parts
>>gives 1.955 cents needed to yeild a pure 2:1 octave. If we divide the
>>comma into 19 parts then we have as you say roughly 1.235 cents needed
>>to end up with a pure 3:1 12th
>>
>>Translated into our familiar root of twelve and root of nineteen and
>>useing 440 as an example... :
>>
>>440 * 2^(1/12) twelve times will yeild 880, but 440 * 3^(1/19) twelve
>>times will yeild 880.6278 for the 2:1 relationship. Adding abou 0.63 bps
>>before inharmonicity is considered to the A3-A4 octave.  Now.... if you
>>tune an A3-A4 octave to a pure 6:3 octave type... then the 2:1 type gets
>>stretched by a very comparable amount.... i.e. close to 0.63 bps for the
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>2:1
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>>One of my thoughts all along about the P12th that I do is that it more
>>or less automatically takes consideration to inharmoncity.
>>
>>Just a thought
>>
>>RicB
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>>Bernhard Stopper wrote:
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>>>some additional thoughts....
>>>
>>>*Twelve fifths - pythagorean comma = seven octaves*
>>>mathematically *(3/(2^(pc/12)))^12 = (2)^7*
>>>is *traditional equal temperament*
>>>
>>>*Twelve fifths= seven octaves  +  pythagorean comma*
>>>mathematically *(3/2)^12 = (2)^(pc/7)^7*
>>>is *equal pure 5th (Cordier)*
>>>
>>>*Twelve 12ths = 19 Octaves + pythagorean comma*
>>>mathematically *3^12 = 2^(pc/19)^19*
>>>*or*
>>>*3^12 = 3^(12/19)^19*
>>>*is equal pure 12th *(Stopper)* *
>>>*or "acoustic octave transformed pythagorean"*
>>>
>>>
>>>the list of the "pythagorean" given below is not complete, it can be
>>>extended to any interval combination of 3 and 2 ratio of the keyboard
>>>
>>>regards,
>>>
>>>Bernhard Stopper
>>>      
>>>
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