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What utter bull****! "I've been hearing..."....RUMORMONGERING! =
David Ilvedson
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From: <Erwinspiano@aol.com>
To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
Received: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:26:04 EDT
Subject: Re: OT Political - {my last word}
Conrad
Thanks for the unusually political post. It's always more=
personal when you & others especially Military folks are on the=
recieving end of the kinds of actions & words being discussed=
here in regards to J.F.Kerry.
I've been hearing that his picture is in the Vietnamese Museum=
as a hero so I guess they like him for being a patriot there as=
well as some do here.
Thanks for your service to this country.
Dale
At 17:38 10/28/2004, you wrote:
>If you know something about John Kerry being a traitor you=
should report
>him--and soon. He may be elected President. It is a crime,=
afterall,
>and I'm sure Mr. Ashcroft would want to look at your hard=
evidence.
>Don't hold back, Carl, do your duty. Withholding evidence of=
capital
>crime might just be a crime itself--especially one as serious=
as
>treason.
>
>David Love
>davidlovepianos@comcast.net
David,
Speaking out politically is WAY different than my norm, and the=
way this
eternal campaign has polarised the country will probably lose me=
some
friends on this list, but I feel I must - please indulge me this=
last time.
I'm not Carl, but _I_ do not need to check websites to determine=
Kerry's
culpability, but I may dig into my old seabag, pull out my=
Bluejacket's
Manual and rely on my first hand experience of the effects of=
Kerry.
If you really still trust websites at this point, perhaps you=
should
re-read Kerry's own words during his Senate testimony, and also=
afterwards,
where he admits participating in the same atrocities which he=
said were
happening. Or... did he say he was just reporting what other=
vets had told
him. Oh... that's right... he said both. Which version was=
purgery?
Since I was in the area at the time (Tonkin Gulf) and in the same=
organization (US Navy '67-'73) and trying to live under the same=
rules
(UCMJ) [Uniform Code of Military Justice], let me try to help you=
with you
some of the military rules with regard to his traitorous=
activities.
Whilst Kerry was still a commissioned officer and ostensibly=
bound by the
UCMJ, he visited with members of the Viet Cong in Paris. How a=
Lieutenant
(Paygrade O-2or3 -- i.e. next to the bottom of officer ranks=
since Ensign
was routinely skipped) thought he could effect peace, who knows?=
However,
there is a term called "consorting with the enemy". In a war,=
the idea
generally is that, if you meet an enemy, you do all you can to=
kill him.
It's brutal, but that IS what war IS. {Note to Bill Clinton -=
there's that
word again} As an officer, it is your sworn DUTY to do that and=
lead
others to do the same. You don't generally sit down to croissants=
and
caviar with the enemy unless you are a general, admiral or head=
of
state. Money talks, I suppose, as Saddam knew in his dealings=
with the
same multiple UN members which Kerry thinks he'd get as allies.
I recall several times in my military career having these things=
drilled
into my head, so I don't need to consult a website to tell me=
that, if I as
a 2nd class petty officer (only E-5 or middle of non-commissioned=
officers,
having turned down E-6 opportunities to return to civilian life)=
had done
the same thing, I would still be in Fort Leavenworth for it, if=
not in an
unmarked grave.
How good was he for the morale of troops/sailors in those years? =
He
certainly didn't make any points with me or my shipmates. In the=
spring of
1970, when my ship got back from it's tour of duty in the war=
zone - with
_IT'S_ current mission accomplished and signs celebrating that=
fact - I did
a lot of traveling around southern and, later, northern=
California. I went
to concerts at Dorothy Chandler Pavilion (free or at a discount),=
hitchhiked, went to movies and church and got invited into=
strangers homes
for home cooked meals, even got some dates after those meals. =
ALL WHILE IN
UNIFORM.
In the fall of 1972, when I got back from my second WestPac=
"cruise",
sailors were, by that time, again allowed to grow beards and have=
(even
encouraged to have) civilian clothes onboard and allowed (even=
encouraged)
to go on "liberty" in civvies. WHY? Because, by then, people=
were
shouting the "baby killer' and other phrases which Kerry had made=
so
popular in 1971.
Being IN DANGER while wearing your uniform IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY is=
NOT good
for morale! Having a long hair wig to escape military haircut=
detection,
and getting spat upon for defending your country is NOT good for=
morale (I
did and I was)! _Trust me_, not some New York Times/CBS=
fabrifacts. It
took me 20 years before I felt comfortable even joining the VFW. =
I lay
that sputum in my face directly on Kerry's doorstep. His=
statements were
not a little over the top. They were slanderous and=
self-incriminating, if
you could believe any of them. They were certainly demoralising,=
and a
comfort to the enemy, whether true or not.
The soldiers/sailors/marines in Iraq do NOT want a POTUS/CIC=
(President of
the US /Commander in Chief) who is against what they are doing in=
the first
place. Kerry would have the same benefit to military morale in=
2005 as he
did in 1971.
Voting to approve military action and then voting against support=
for the
same action does not instill a feeling of comfort among those who=
depend on
that support for their lives, either.
My 10=A2.
Conrad Hoffsommer
-Former Machinist's Mate 2nd Class - USN
-Nuclear power plant operator aboard USS Long Beach (CGN-9)=
1970-73
Yup, it's personal.
over and out.
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