"Use the Fork, Luke" was Problem Tuning A49 to Tuning Fork

Alan Barnard tune4u@earthlink.net
Sat, 13 Aug 2005 17:12:28 -0500


Something's goofy here. The post: "Tune A3 to A4, tune F3 to A3. Check F3
to A4" describes the 3rd-10th octave test which is valid for assuring that
the A octave is 4:2 (or slightly wide) but is not a confirmation of proper
A4 placement. Also, unless you are going to tune with a C fork—in which
case you are not tuning A4 to a fork—you do not need to get a C fork. You
either set A440 or you set C523.3 (or whatever) but you do not mix and
match: Only one tuning fork to a tuning, please!

C fork tuning will NOT give you A440, exactly, unless you miraculously miss
the C just enough to land A properly, or the piano, miraculously, has
precisely the amount of inharmonicity in the temperament area to produce
A440 starting with C523.3. You can get acceptably close and many fine
tuners use the C fork, raging debate notwithstanding. But the modern trend,
as taught and published, is to use an accurate A440 fork (or pitch source).
As George Defebaugh said, other musicans will NOT likely ask to hear the
piano's C, they will ask for the A.

In any event, let's get practical ...

First, the F21 check is to see how well you have placed the A by ear only.
It is NOT a "tuning" interval, in the sense that you tune one note to
another. So generally, you don't want or need F2 (F21) sounding while you
are moving A4.  BUT if you must, here is a cheat: Use a mute between F21
and F#22 (or E20) so that the F21 key is held down but not played. Play A4
forcefully and hold it. On many pianos, the sympathetic vibration of the
5th partial of the F will be strong enough to give you a ghost tone that
you can tune to match the beat rate that the fork makes with the F. The
fork, however, will not be strong enough to ghost the F; the A4 key will be
(maybe). I don't think anybody seriously tunes with this ghost but it's
instructive to try.

What to do: Learn to get tune A4, accurately, with your ear and and the
fork—then use the F2 17th as a test, comparing its beat rate with A4 and
with the fork. It's really not that tough to get within a 1/2 cent or so
just listening to A4 and the fork; the RPT test gives you a 2.999999 cent
latitude.

Do NOT use F3 in any phase of setting or checking A4 to the fork. Read this
carefully: The F3 will have a matching 5th partial with A4 and with the
fork. This will be the 2nd partial of A4 and NOT the fundamental. Because
of IH, the second partial will ALWAYS be sharp of the fundamental and you
will always end up tuning A4 too sharp!

The reason that F21 works as a check is that you are comparing the A4 key
and the fork with the exact same partial of the F, i.e., its 5th partial.
Helpful Note: If you have trouble hearing or counting these check beats,
you can tune the F up or down a tad until you get a rate of, maybe, 4 bps,
something fast enough, but not too fast to count (feel, hear) accurately.

By the way, you can also check your A4/fork tuning use B1 (B15 by key
count) as the 7th partial of this note beats against 440 (fork or key). If
both B1 and F2 were in tune, the B1 test would beast faster than the F2
test. On some pianos, this use of B1—it's an interval of the 21st, if you'd
like to know—can be a great second or alternate check interval; on other
pianos, it is hard to hear.

Remember, also, that check notes need not be in tune but must be close
enough to produce a beat WITH THE PROPER TEST PARTIALS. In other words, the
F2, say, could be slightly sharp or flat as long as a good, countable beat
is produced. But if that F2 were, say, flat by a fourth, it might still
sound "okay" when played with other notes (Lord knows this can happen in
the very low bass!) but the pitch, in this case, would actually be a C2
which does NOT have a coincident partial at 440.

There is no real mystery about setting the A4. Learn to hear the beat
against the fork even when it is very slow, and learn to bring it to a
stop. Then check. Then wang the A4 to knock it out of tune and do it all
over again until you can wang A4 and it is still in tune. Check, check,
check. The only "tricky" part hear is that the fork also has an overtone
series so you must learn to hear the lowest, slowest pitches and beats and
ignore anything faster in the background (usually 2nd partials). The better
(heavier) the fork, the stronger the tone of the 440 fundamental—which is
good; but also, usually, the overtones are stronger too, which can fool
you. 

As always, if old-hand aural tuners find me in error, please scream, yell,
rant, and ridicule right away, lest false ideas be perpetuated.

Alan Barnard
Salem, Missouri




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