string terminations

Andrew and Rebeca Anderson anrebe@sbcglobal.net
Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:18:06 -0500


I wonder if the bridge would move visibly for the lower monochord notes.
Andrew
At 02:46 PM 8/15/2005, you wrote:
>Hello all.
>
>Reading this thread, I have (perhaps naively) 
>done the experience of hitting vertically one 
>single string installed in a piano , and 
>horizontally with a loose hammer I hold in my 
>hand.  I was surprised to hear how much 
>difference there is in sound.  When struck 
>vertically, the string produces much more volume 
>and pleasant sound than when struck horizontally.  This is new to me.
>Looking at the very nice documents posted by Pr. 
>S. Birkett, I noticed that you can't see the 
>bridge move under influence of the strings.  Is 
>this because the magnitude of bridge motion is 
>invisible at this scale, or because the bridge 
>doesn't move that much, being after all a node in the whole story ?
>Just wondering.
>
>Best regards.
>
>Stéphane Collin.
>
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ric Brekne" <ricbrek@broadpark.no>
>To: "pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org>
>Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:48 PM
>Subject: string terminations
>
>
>>Hi Calin.
>>
>>My point was simply to point to information 
>>compiled by those scientists that have actually 
>>done some hard research. Most of what is tossed around back and forth here
>>is speculation to some degree or another. Not 
>>that that is a bad thing mind you. But to at 
>>least read what research and real 
>>experimentation has been done seems to my mind 
>>a good idea before one starts drawing up any conclusions.
>>
>>Personally, I find the vertical vibration claim 
>>quite plausible, and there seems to be
>>some basic maths that back it up. But I will 
>>refer any interested parties to the persons
>>who've published on the matter. Both Stuart and 
>>Wapin have documentation worth reading.
>>
>>One other point.... just for thought.  However 
>>a whole system achieves longer sustain,
>>the string simply has to vibrate longer as a 
>>result.  Without string vibration then there is 
>>no system vibration either. So what exactly 
>>about the vertical termination that causes this 
>>in both the Wapin and the Stuart terminations 
>>(one with virtual no mass increase, the other with about 1 kilo) ?
>>
>>Like I say,  I find reading the available 
>>literature on the subject matter valuable.
>>
>>Cheers
>>RicB
>>
>>------
>>The "vertical vibration claim doesn't seem very 
>>plausible to me (but i don't have any 
>>counter-arguments). I just think the way a 
>>bridge agraffe can improve sustain is just by 
>>virtue of its greater hardness (and weight), 
>>compared to a conventional bridge pin, which 
>>seems to be a pretty flexible contraption.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
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