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Greetings All,
Steam voicing should be reserved for those pianos
where there is no budget to do the job correctly, or there is little
justification to spend a lot of money. Light steaming of practice room
pianos, is a way to keep your sanity in a 7 X 7ft room. If you dry iron
after the steam, you will rarely have a bumpy mess David. It will also
even the tone out quite a bit.
Very deep needling ( 15mm ) at the 9 o'clock area, right down to the
molding, with a single needle, will tame many of those very hard
hammers. This will build some good elasticity into the shoulders.
Regards Roger
At 06:44 PM 3/6/2005, you wrote:
>I've tried it also and I'm not that happy with it. I'm going to stick to
>needles. For me, steaming gave me unlevel strike surface which then had
>to deal with, If I had done any needling prior to steaming...god what a
>bumpy mess...I've still got it in the bag of tricks but only for rock hammers.
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>David Ilvedson
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>Original message
>From: Michael Gamble
>To: Jerry Cohen
>Received: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 17:07:52 -0000
>Subject: Re: Modern Tone II, the Return of the Question
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>Hello Jerry, Alan and List
>Let us not forget Roger Jolly's wonderful steam approach. He sent me a
>copy of his treatise on the subject and I've tried it. It works.
>Needle-less voicing... worth a thought? Non?
>Michael G.(UK)
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>From: <mailto:emailforjc@yahoo.com>Jerry Cohen
>To: <mailto:pianotech@ptg.org>'Pianotech'
>Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 3:28 PM
>Subject: RE: Modern Tone II, the Return of the Question
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>From: <mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org>pianotech-bounces@ptg.org
>[mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Alan
>Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 1:08 AM
>To: 'Pianotech'
>Subject: RE: Modern Tone II, the Return of the Question
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>P.S. Part of my pursuit of this at this time is a desire to rescue an
>area Methodist church from the shrill, busy, ultra-bright, piercing,
>stident, trident (gummed up) sound of the little Samick SG-172 grand they
>bought. I'm pretty sure it's going to start with some serious string
>seating, bridge pin stabilization, and regulation--followed by a session
>in the back room with those hammers ... under a bright light ... with a
>rubber hose and brass knuckles, to soften them up. I don't THINK I could
>make it worse, even with what I know, now. And, no, there are no other
>guild techs within two hours of here and no local yokels I'd want to
>invite to help. I am alllllll aloooooooone here in the elephant ivory
>graveyard.
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>Alan,
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>I think the Samick is an excellent piano to start learning with. I did
>some voicing on one a few weeks ago. It was also shrill and painful to
>tune. The hammers are actually decent quality, and with needling, you can
>create nice elasticity in the shoulders, and create whatever you want as
>you approach the top.
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>Since you are just starting, my advice is to make some improvement in some
>section. If you try to do everything, you will get frustrated and lose
>perspective. For example, even though the whole piano sounds shrill, try
>to find one octave that is a little worse (or a lot worse) than the rest.
>Work only on that section, and try to make it blend perfectly with the
>rest of the piano. By doing this you will be developing your skills at not
>only tone building, but also creating an even line. After you have
>finished that section, pat yourself on the back, and leave the piano for
>maybe a week or two. Then you can start working on other sections. If you
>work on the whole piano at once, you can easily lose your reference.
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>We met briefly during Don Mannino's voicing class in Sacramento. While he
>spent more time on pre-voicing, he really did demonstrate most of the
>principles of voicing. I suggest starting with the shoulders, trying to
>feel the elasticity being created. Work on one note at a time. Make a few
>stabs, front and rear, and listen to the result. The difference should be
>heard in the mF and F levels. Listen very carefully. When you hear a
>difference, move to the next note, even if you haven't finished the first
>one. Remember, the needling tool works a lot better than the unneedling
>tool! Eventually you can start working up to the crown, but stay away from
>the strike point for now. Use this area to create a nice mp and p sound.
>The final result should be nice tone which has variety from pp to F. At FF
>it should start to crash. Then you have created the full dynamic range of
>the piano.
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>It was good to meet you last month, however briefly, and I hope this helps.
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>Jerry Cohen
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>NJ Chapter
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