No my arguments are not circular and contradictory. I'd rather say that yours are manipulative. You dismiss things like the Shimmel example and write off the research done players like Yamaha, Petrof, and god knows how many others. You claim differences in performance when they suit you and when they dont suit you deny they exist. And since I time and time again underline that I like the results of both approaches I can hardly be said to be biased towards one or the other. My simple point boils down to different strokes for different folks. Until someone can show a "quantitative analysis of soundboard performance as it relates to perceived tone" as you put it.. or even something remotely akin to that.. then no one has any buisness waving around their beliefs as facts. I think at this point we've reached that familiar impass and have clearly passed the boarder where exchange of ideas and thoughts have been replaced by... well less constructive dialouge, I think its time to leave things where they stand. It has been tho, up to this point... one of the better exchanges on the whole thing. I'll get back to the general subject when I have my own design installed in the near future. Probably the worlds first laminate crowned board. Me who has such a bias against trying new approaches.... Cheers RicB Your points are so circular and contradictory I can't really follow them other than to say it's clear that you have a bias toward more conventional compression methods of crowning and seem to get very argumentative when it comes to considering RC&S boards. That's fine. But I think you should simply admit the bias rather than represent yourself as being open to new ideas--you're not, not really. My interest is in building the best sounding pianos consistently. I have no vested interest in what method that happens to be. I'm not sure what "proof" you are looking for. The "proof" of the pudding is in the tasting (should I coin that). You build them, you listen, you have other pianos in your shop, you compare, you build more, you listen, you have other pianos in the shop, you compare, you go out in the field, you listen, you come back to the shop and compare and when you are done you do it some more. When you begin to see consistent and predictable results, that's proof enough for me. You want a quantitative analysis of soundboard performance as it relates to perceived tone with all other variables teased out? Good luck, not likely in my lifetime. David Love davidlovepianos at comcast.net
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