Hi folks Just thought I'd relate an experience I had today. The recent discussion stimulated to take a few new looks at some of the things we do for different reasons and see if perhaps they can relate to this subject. Today and over the last few days I've been adding mass via use of a Vice Grips to various parts of the bridge to see what kind of effect it has on false beats and related phenomena. I found the following to be quite interesting. Attaching a 330 gram vice grips to the BACK bridge pin of a note, I found a clear effect on the occurrence of false beats. Most of the time the beat for the corresponding unison pretty much disappeared. Also for adjacent unisons there was an impact. Seemed like there was an impact for about a 4-5 inch range around the vice grips. Another thing that happened was that very clean tuned unisons in the same area were often in need of retuning after the vice grips were attached. I also tried attaching the vice grips to the bridge itself at the break between the treble and highest treble and at the end of the bridge at C88. In both cases the results were quite similar. No fancy measuring devices used... just ears... but the results were quite noticeable. It would be interesting to put this to some fancy bench testing to ascertain more clearly whats going on. But it seems evident to me, as it has for quite some time... that it is better to view the cause of false beating as a general condition of asymmetric admittance from the bridge then it is to simply point at one specific condition or another. Clearly there are several ways of influencing the presence or lack thereof of false beats. Cheers RicB
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