follow up: RE: New Stein. A loose hammer flanges

Andrew and Rebeca Anderson anrebe at sbcglobal.net
Thu Nov 8 17:45:25 MST 2007


Dave,
I'm going to have to do this as a warranty issue on a Chinese make, 
way too tight.  What kind of gram resistance are you talking about here?

Andrew Anderson

At 04:39 PM 11/8/2007, you wrote:
>>The change in tone on this piano was astounding.
>>I have been chasing voicing issues that are pinning
>>issues.
>
>Ding ding ding ding. This is what Chris Robinson and Roger Jolly 
>have been preaching for a long while; all this baloney about zero 
>friction is a crock of merde. In most pianos, in most applications, 
>3-4-5 swings is close to ideal for the shank flange. I'm glad, Dave, 
>that you now have concrete, practical, aural evidence of the crucial 
>tonal importance of proper shank flange friction. We repin carefully 
>on every single set of new flanges we install, regardless of maker. 
>It's that important. Proper flange friction, especially at the shank flange,
>has a radical positive effect on the touch, the "right" feeling of 
>the action; it becomes crisper, "lighter," more controllable at low volume.
>
>If you maintain high-use Asian pianos, you can become a voodoo, 
>iconic "voicing technician," respected and desired, if you carefully 
>repin the shank flanges. We repin the shank flanges on every new 
>client with an Asian piano (and other makers on a case-by-case 
>basis)  as a matter of course. There's oodles in the archives about 
>the latest, hippest methods; the Mannino broaches are the key.
>
>You can't lose with this. Most times you repin, everything gets 
>startlingly better, and you're a hero. Woo-hoo.
>
>xoDavid Andersen
>
>
>On Nov 7, 2007, at 6:08 PM, David Renaud wrote:
>
>>There were 27 swings on some hammer flanges.
>>
>>Some birds eyes required #22 pin to be tight.
>>
>>The pins were rotating in some bird eyes.
>>
>>
>>
>>The change in tone on this piano was astounding.
>>
>>I have been chasing voicing issues that are pining
>>
>>issues.
>>
>>
>>The rep. works.
>>
>>
>>One comment was that Steinway spec for hammer flange
>>
>>pinning is .1 to 4 grams. There is talk of a zero
>>
>>friction policy. Excuse my ignorance, but are you
>>
>>kidding, is that a joke. Do they really think one
>>
>>tenth on one gram is acceptable.
>>
>>
>>   If so I should post a recording of the change
>>
>>in tone in this octave for all to hear. Also it
>>
>>is imposable  to get the rep springs soft enough
>>
>>not to jump and still allow the rep. lever to support
>>
>>the hammer on fast trills. Impossible I say with
>>
>>.1 gram resistance.
>>
>>
>>    Now I have to do the whole piano.
>>
>>
>>    The repined octave is silky smooth.
>>
>>    The very next note A5 screams upper harmonics and
>>
>>has clack in the tone. The clack was not so noticeable
>>
>>when ever thing was the same, but now with a clean
>>
>>point of reference it is so clearly deficient.

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