Can this PTG politics thread please migrate to the proper forum? Please? PTG-L. On 10/21/07, paulrevenkojones at aol.com <paulrevenkojones at aol.com> wrote: > > > But having that qualification will add to the credibility. > > Willem: > > That's not only the danger but the reality: too many technicians dependent > on the "credibility" of the designation offering wholly uninformed and > unformed opinions about the value of pianos. Every time a technician > suggests, estimates, guesses, opines, or offers an appraisal of value, > he/she has altered the values of all other pianos in the market place, > sometimes subtly, sometimes not. Then also, the uneducated credibility of > the piano-owning public who will be led to expect that the RPT designation > by itself "should" signify capability, experience, and assurance. then also, > the credibility of the legal system which will come to depend on the RPT > designation while the above flaws in the ointment continue to be > perpetuated. If after some rather extended experience in the field, and with > an ear to the market, someone also has RPT status, then I guess that means > something; but for the life of me I don't know what it is. As we kn! ow, > many new RPT's are dangerous to the field piano technology since many of > them mistakenly believe that the designation is the end rather than the > beginning. > > While I certainly applaud those who seek and attain RPT status, its > significance is primarily internal, that we, by social contract in our > association, wish to provably raise the level of our techinical expertise by > taking examinations which, as we all know, at 80% are marginal at best. It > is perfectly conceivable and, indeed, has been done, to create an RPT within > as little as 15 months from a point of total ignorance about piano > technology. The RPT designation does not create an appraiser. Or lend > credibility to the appraisal, except to the credulous. And we as members of > the Piano Technicians Guild need to be extraordinarily circumspect in making > the designation carry too much peripheral force or cachet. It will redound > poorly on us if we do. > > Paul > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Willem Blees <wimblees at aol.com> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 8:51 pm > Subject: Re: Appraising follow up > > I'm not suggesting that just being an RPT is enough to be a qualified > appraiser. But having that qualification will add to the credibility. By the > same token, an RPT isn't necessarily qualified to be a concert tuner, but it > certainly goes a long way. Which is one of the reasons many universities > want an RPT to be the tech. > > Willem (Wim) Blees, RPT > Piano Tuner/Technician > Honolulu, HI > Author of > The Business of Piano Tuning > available from Potter Press > www.pianotuning.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: paulrevenkojones at aol.com > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Sun, Oct 21 1:15 AM > Subject: Re: Appraising follow up > > Willem: > > With all due respect, the designation of RPT is not sufficient to be an > appraiser except for, perhaps, some technical purpose regarding > qualifications in the eyes of the legal system which may be all you're > saying, but if so, then it in insufficient and non-germane to the issue. > There are many, many young RPTs, whom I just love to death for becoming so, > who are not qualified to appraise because they simply haven't had the > experience in the "market-place", nor of the intricacies of the law and tax > consequences, properly to bring to bear the results of that experience. > Julia herself admits as much, that she's been doing technical work for > several years, but does not claim to be an appraiser. To hold out the carrot > to aspiring RPT's that they will, simply by becoming RPT's, have the > qualification to appraise is nonsense. There are many non-RPT's out there > who have years and years of experience whom I would call on in an instant > before I would call someone to do an appraisal sim! ! ply because they have > the designation after their name and the other doesn't. So, no, not enough > said. > > Paul > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Willem Blees <wimblees at aol.com> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 10:23 pm > Subject: Appraising follow up > > I just got my October Journal, and read the appraising article. A couple > of weeks ago there was some talk about this, but since the series of > questions appeared on Pianotech before I joined, I didn't get a chance to > add my 2 cents worth. > > The only thing I wanted to add, which I mentioned in my Appraisal class at > the convention, has to do with the qualifications of a piano appraiser. The > number one qualification, in opinion, would be an RPT member of the > PTG. There is no other classification in any other profession that comes > close to knowing more about the condition of a piano than an RPT. The IRS, > much less a court of law, has no other standard to measure our ability > against. I'm not saying there aren't other people who can do an appraisal, > but an RPT is the only one with credentials. > > 'noug said. > > Willem (Wim) Blees, RPT > Piano Tuner/Technician > Honolulu, HI > Author of > The Business of Piano Tuning > available from Potter Press > www.pianotuning.com > ------------------------------ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail<http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/index.htm?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000970> > ! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/20071021/be5abd71/attachment.html
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