How about those 36"-tall pianos with keysticks that, just aft of the balance pin, dive about 3 or 4 inches, their capstaned tail ends providing direct blow to the wippens. Spinsoles? Consets? Oh, and don't forget the 36" Weavers with the key-end, rocker crowbars. My name for them: Out-of-control tail spin..ets. To their credit, both types afford convenient action removal, making them more consolesque. Cliff Lesher Winfield, PA _______________________________________ On Oct 26, 2007, at 9:47 PM, David Ilvedson wrote: > Drop action=spinet. > Action on keys/free hanging legs=console > action on keys/legs attached to case at bottom=studio such as U1, > UST-7 and such > Big=Upright > > David Ilvedson, RPT > Pacifica, CA 94044 > > ----- Original message ---------------------------------------- > From: Farrell <mfarrel2 at tampabay.rr.com> > To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org> > Received: 10/26/2007 5:15:53 PM > Subject: Re: Spinet/Console Definition; was: Appraisal Value > > >>> If it's tall, with a full-blow action, it's not a spinet. > >> Well, I said "tall (for a spinet)". I'd guess it was close to 40 >> inches tall - no shorter >> than that. The music desk was level with the lid. > >> Not trying to split hairs or challenge anyone, but rather >> determine the definition of >> spinet and console. To the best of my knowledge, there are two >> streams of piano >> type definition defining four types of vertical pianos (spinet, >> console, studio upright >> and upright) - the layperson's and the technical definitions. The >> layperson definition >> is based strictly on how tall the piano is. My understanding is >> that the technical >> definition of a spinet is that it has the drop action - whether or >> not it has the >> compressed or full size action does not matter. A console does not >> have the drop >> mechanism, i.e. the action sits on key capstans, but has a >> compressed-size action. >> Then the studio upright has the full action directly on capstans >> and the upright has >> the action either on capstans with riser extensions (think Yamaha >> U1 or U3), or the >> stickers common in the old uprights. > >>> Even if it's >>> console size, but has a drop action, it's a "drop-action console." > >> Opinions on this? IMHO, if it has a drop action, it is a spinet. >> Or do we use five >> classes on vertical pianos? > >>> If the >>> rear ends of the keys (capstans) extend under the wippens, then >>> it's a >>> console. > >> Well, if it has a compressed action. If it has a full size action, >> it would be a studio >> upright. > >>> Yes, a dealer might ask $2K, > >> Right, which is why I defined "retail value" as what the dealer >> would ask for it.... >> Oops, I see I did not define "retail value". I meant to. Well, I >> guess there is another >> question: Does the phrase "retail value" mean what a dealer would >> ask for it? I >> thought that to be the case. > >>> but through the newspaper, between private >>> parties, it might be hard to get more than $1200 - $1500 unless >>> the finish >>> is really like new. > >> Agreed. If even close to that. I see the majority of pianos like >> this go for somewhere >> between $500 and $1K in a private sale. > >>> (Looks always seem to matter more than the quality of >>> the instrument) > >> LOL! Good point. So sad, but oh so true. That's why I told the >> lady that there would >> easily be a $200 difference in the price of the piano if she were >> to be able to remove >> the 39 or so glued-on letters on the middle keys (ABCDEFG). > > >> Terry Farrell > >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> If it's tall, with a full-blow action, it's not a spinet. >>> Even if it's >>> console size, but has a drop action, it's a "drop-action >>> console." If the >>> rear ends of the keys (capstans) extend under the wippens, then >>> it's a >>> console. >>> Yes, a dealer might ask $2K, but through the newspaper, >>> between private >>> parties, it might be hard to get more than $1200 - $1500 unless >>> the finish >>> is really like new. (Looks always seem to matter more than the >>> quality of >>> the instrument) >>> --David Nereson, RPT >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> I'm looking for a reality check on the retail value of a 1983 >>>> Baldwin >>> spinet - midwest USA prices. >>> >>> It is a tall one (for a spinet) with the Baldwin full-blow >>> action. Case is >>> good to very good, and mechanically the piano is in very good >>> condition - I >>> would estimate that it has average to light wear for a piano its >>> age. The >>> regulation is good. >>> >>> I'm guessing that a dealer would ask about $2k for such a beast. >>> Yes? >>> >>> Terry Farrell
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