Ah, but whatever the fair market might be, it is only worth what they can sell for. Maybe people haven't noticed, but this is a buyers market...I think they were inferring what they were willing to sell it for to get it out of the house...they have 2 pianos... David Ilvedson, RPT Pacifica, CA 94044 ----- Original message ---------------------------------------- From: "Mike Spalding" <mike.spalding1 at verizon.net> To: pianotech at ptg.org Received: 12/6/2008 6:10:23 AM Subject: Re: [pianotech] pianotech Digest, Vol 2, Issue 44 >Sorry, that logic does not compute. If the fair market value of the >piano is $25,000, he makes the most money by selling it for $25,000, not >by selling it for less than it's worth and writing off the difference. >If he's already planning to sell it for less than $25,000, then he >clearly believes that it is worth less than $25,000, and is asking for a >fraudulently inflated appraisal. >Noah Haverkamp wrote: >> I see no reason to suppose this person is guilty of fraud in this >> sense. He does not imply that the appraiser is to create a value >> greater than the fair market value so that he may deceptively profit. >> It is an easy thing to infer, however. But the tone of intent in >> written word is easily misunderstood. The only thing we know for >> certain is that he/she wants to take advantage of the legal system to >> avoid losing money he/she does not want to lose. We are all guilty of >> that. However, we differ in our style of completing that task. -Noah >> >> From: >> paulrevenkojones at aol.com >> To: >> ilvey at sbcglobal.net, pianotech at ptg.org >> David: >> >> Do we all know the word "fraud"? >> >> To _solicit or create_ a value which is not a "fair market value" in >> order to cause a purported capital loss on the sale is fraud. >> >> Paul >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David Ilvedson <ilvey at sbcglobal.net> >> To: pianotech at ptg.org >> Sent: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 2:23 pm >> Subject: [pianotech] (no subject) >> >> I have a customer who emailed me the following: >> "Thanks for your reply. Because of how taxes work, if we could get a >> written appraisal on the piano of $20,000.00-$25,000.00 we could sell >> the piano for less and then "write off" the remainder. For example, if >> the appraisal was $20,000.00 we would sell the piano for about >> $15,000.00 and if the appraisal was higher we would sell it for even >> less. " >> Does that sound right? I don't see how they can write off a personal >> sale...???? >> >> David Ilvedson, RPT >> Pacifica, CA 94044 >> >> Noah Haverkamp Frere >> Know-a Piano? >> http://www.knowapiano.com >> 347-308-0094 >> >> >> >> --- On *Sat, 12/6/08, pianotech-request at ptg.org >> /<pianotech-request at ptg.org>/* wrote: >> >> From: pianotech-request at ptg.org <pianotech-request at ptg.org> >> Subject: pianotech Digest, Vol 2, Issue 44 >> To: pianotech at ptg.org >> Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 5:18 AM >> >> Send pianotech mailing list submissions to >> pianotech at ptg.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://ptg.org/mailman/listinfo/pianotech_ptg.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> pianotech-request at ptg.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> pianotech-owner at ptg.org >> >> When replying, please edit your >> Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of pianotech digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Refinishing ebony sharps? (kurt baxter) >> 2. Re: new testing requirement (Joe And Penny Goss) >> 3. Re: Refinishing ebony sharps? (Michael Spreeman) >> 4. Re: Refinishing ebony sharps? (David Ilvedson) >> 5. Re: (no subject) (paulrevenkojones at aol.com) >> 6. Re: appraisals (Kendall Ross Bean) >> >> >> Ok, what are my options to re-black worn ebony sharps? >> >> I have only attempted this myself once, and the stuff I used (some >> sort of spray black lacquer I think) >> did this really horrible crazing/cracking thing as it dried. >> >> A refinisher friend told me it was a result of the lacquer >> reacting with the finger oils that had soaked >> into the parts that were worn down to bare wood. She ended up >> having to aggressively strip all the >> old black off and start new. >> >> Is there any way to avoid this? >> Can I make then look better (if not perfect) without stripping them? >> >> >> >> >> [kurt] >> Or certified NUTS >> Joe Goss RPT >> Mother Goose Tools >> imatunr at srvinet.com <mailto:imatunr at srvinet.com> >> www.mothergoosetools.com <http://www.mothergoosetools.com> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* wimblees at aol.com <mailto:wimblees at aol.com> >> *To:* Pianotech at PTG.org <mailto:Pianotech at PTG.org> >> *Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2008 3:00 PM >> *Subject:* [pianotech] new testing requirement >> >> We're not doing the tuning exam right. We should be testing >> under 'normal" conditions. which include, but are not limited >> to: TV blaring right next to the piano, kids screaming, the >> garbage truck going down the street, and backing up, lawn >> mowing, dishes being washed in the next room, and the ceiling >> fan going. At least that's what the conditions were this >> morning. If anyone can tune a piano with all that going on, >> then he should be qualified as an RPT. >> >> Happy Holidays everyone. >> >> Willem (Wim) Blees, RPT >> Piano Tuner/Technician >> Mililani, Oahu, HI >> 808-349-2943 >> Author of: >> The Business of Piano Tuning >> available from Potter Press >> www.pianotuning.com >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations – >> including songs for the holidays – FREE while you browse. >> Start Listening Now >> ><http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000013>! >> >> >> Ebony wood is oily and fairly difficult to finish with lacquer; >> urethane tends to work better. Sand them, wipe down with acetone, >> dye, and finish. The most success I've had with making ebony >> sharps black is to die them with a high quality shoe makers >> leather dye and finish over that. The leather dye works well on >> the lesser quality sharps. >> >> High quality ebony sharps were never really intended to look >> "absolutely black". They look and feel amazing if sanded down to >> 600 grit and buffed. If one wants pure black sharps with no grain, >> use plastic. >> >> >> / Michael Spreeman >> / www.RavenscroftPianos.com <http://www.RavenscroftPianos.com> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. Get your >> Hotmail® account. >> ><http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed >_122008> >> >> Consider the beauty of natural ebony...blacks, >> browns...beautiful. That being said Pianotek has a black tint >> especially for sharps...I haven't used it... >> >> David Ilvedson, RPT >> Pacifica, CA 94044 >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Original message >> From: "kurt baxter" >> To: "Pianotech List" >> Received: 12/5/2008 8:28:06 PM >> Subject: [pianotech] Refinishing ebony sharps? >> >> Ok, what are my options to re-black worn ebony sharps? >> >> I have only attempted this myself once, and the stuff I used (some >> sort of spray black lacquer I think) >> did this really horrible crazing/cracking thing as it dried. >> >> A refinisher friend told me it was a result of the lacquer >> reacting with the finger oils that had soaked >> into the parts that were worn down to bare wood. She ended up >> having to aggressively strip all the >> old black off and start new. >> >> Is there any way to avoid this? >> Can I make then look better (if not perfect) without stripping them? >> >> >> >> >> [kurt] >> >> David: >> >> Do we all know the word "fraud"? >> >> To _solicit or create_ a value which is not a "fair market value" >> in order to cause a purported capital loss on the sale is fraud. >> >> Paul >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David Ilvedson <ilvey at sbcglobal.net> >> To: pianotech at ptg.org >> Sent: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 2:23 pm >> Subject: [pianotech] (no subject) >> >> I have a customer who emailed me the following: >> "Thanks for your reply. Because of how taxes work, if we could get >> a written appraisal on the piano of $20,000.00-$25,000.00 we could >> sell the piano for less and then "write off" the remainder. For >> example, if the appraisal was $20,000.00 we would sell the piano >> for about $15,000.00 and if the appraisal was higher we would sell >> it for even less. " >> Does that sound right? I don't see how they can write off a >> personal sale...???? >> >> David Ilvedson, RPT >> Pacifica, CA 94044 >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations – including >> songs for the holidays – FREE while you browse. Start Listening >> Now >> ><http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000013>! >> >> David~ >> >> I have been reading these posts in this thread. >> >> For what it's worth, and for future reference, we specialize in >> piano appraisals, and I get over to the San Francisco peninsula to >> appraise instruments there on a regular basis. >> >> We are based in Walnut Creek. >> >> You can see sample pages of our comprehensive appraisal at >> >> >http://www.pianofinders.com/buyers/pianoshowroom/Steinway262369appa.htm >> >> It is a 7 page document, including an on-site inspection report, >> recommended repairs (including cost), and a number of different >> types of market valuations, including estimated values before and >> after repairs (to help ascertain whether repairs are worth doing). >> We include replacement value, current market value, and wholesale >> value wherever possible. We have evolved this appraisal over 25 >> years in business, based on needs of piano owners, buyers, >> sellers, estate appraisers, insurance companies, moving companies, >> dealers, rebuilders, refinishers, and numerous other interested >> parties. >> >> When I appraise a piano, I realize I can't be too terribly >> concerned about how people are going to ultimately use the >> appraisal, because I don't have a lot of control over that: after >> the appraisal is completed it's basically out of my hands. There >> are legal and illegal ways to "write off" things. I assume that >> most people would want to consult an accountant or an attorney >> specializing in tax law before risking an audit, fines, or >> possibly a jail term. >> >> Karen, my partner in the business, and our market value >> specialist, is also on the board of a 501 (3) (c) non-profit >> organization qualified to receive charitable donations (including >> pianos) and to issue donation receipts so those donating can claim >> tax deductions (or "write-offs"). -So she knows quite a bit about >> both piano sales, and piano donations, and what can be written off >> and what can't, and the rules governing those transactions. >> >> For example, generally speaking, if a piano is being "donated" in >> some way for a "write-off", the donor themselves may declare the >> value as long as it is under $5,000. >> >> If it is $5000. or over, then an independent appraiser >> must declare the value. There are rules governing who can be a >> qualified appraiser in this circumstance. Generally they cannot be >> a party to the transaction, or someone who would stand to benefit >> from the transaction in a way that might influence their valuation >> of the piano. >> >> The organization or institution accepting the donation can't be >> just anybody, either. They have to be recognized by the government >> as a certain type of non-profit or charitable organization, in >> order to be able to issue the proper donation receipt for a tax >> deduction. >> >> There are apparently many ways that a person could claim a tax >> "write-off" on a piano, including depreciation, donation, >> irrecoverable business losses, etc., -even possibly selling a >> piano. But you would have to consult a tax specialist to find out >> how it could be done legitimately and legally. >> >> More info on charitable contributions and tax write-offs can be >> found here: >> >> http://www.pianofinders.com/owners/instructions_for_form_8283.htm >> >> Sincerely~ >> >> Kendall Ross Bean >> >> PianoFinders >> www.pianofinders.com <http://www.pianofinders.com/> >> e-mail: kenbean at pianofinders.com <mailto:kenbean at pianofinders.com> >> phone: (925) 676-3355 >> >> /Connecting Pianos and People/ >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* David Ilvedson [mailto:ilvey at sbcglobal.net] >> *Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2008 7:14 PM >> *To:* pianotech at ptg.org; ilvey at sbcglobal.net >> *Subject:* Re: [pianotech] appraisals >> >> I see I'm getting no takers now... '-] >> >> David Ilvedson, RPT >> Pacifica, CA 94044 >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Original message >> From: "David Ilvedson" >> To: pianotech at ptg.org >> Received: 12/5/2008 11:38:07 AM >> Subject: [pianotech] appraisals >> >> Who in the Bay Area...Peninsula does piano appraisals? >> >> David Ilvedson, RPT >> Pacifica, CA 94044 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pianotech mailing list >> pianotech at ptg.org >> http://ptg.org/mailman/listinfo/pianotech_ptg.org >> >>
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