[pianotech] Aural vs. ETD

Dave Foster pepsi29 at sbcglobal.net
Sat Apr 4 06:28:29 PDT 2009


It is completely impossible to hear aurally the difference between 440 and
441.  Or better yet, 880 and 882.  And that's what the EDT will check for in
the test.  The test isn't designed to measure "the best tuned piano".  It's
designed to measure certain criteria that's the human hear can't hear
without assistance.  
I tune with EDT most of the time, not because it's a better tuned piano, but
because after tuning 5 or 6 pianos per day, my brain starts to hurt.  It
takes a lot of mental endurance to tune ALL DAY, and using a EDT takes the
thinking about the tuning away.  I know the customers I have, and which ones
want a better tuning, and I'll take the time aurally to check my work,
whether it's aligned with the EDT or not.  But I also know my customers that
don't necessarily care about the tuning.  As long as their Pearl River is
sitting out in the front window with the sun beating down on it, and
everyone in the neighborhood can see it, and little 8-year-old Suzie can do
her scales.  It is not worth my mental stability, or a headache, to give
this customer a perfect 99% accurate aural concert tuning when in  7 days it
will be flat or sharp again because of the furnace vent blowing up on the
soundboard.  There are certain customers that just don't seem to care, no
matter how much I try to persuade them to treat their beautiful instrument
(and I use that term loosely in the PR case) with TLC.  And in this case,
and EDT tuning will suffice.
Don't get me wrong, I tune aurally regularly, when needed.  But I disagree
that a technician NEEDS to know how to tune aurally to be considered a Piano
Technician.  So people just aren't born with the natural ability to hear
certain things.  That shouldn't detour them from being a well-respected
great Piano Technician.  I know a few Techs in the area that don't tune well
because they can't hear sharply beats and harmonics, but they have the
intellect and respect of the technical end of being a technician, and they
are considered one of the best rebuilders in the area.  
I use the example from Matt, when he checked the older gentleman's tuning
and it was "all over the place".  I also knew a guy, in this 80's, great
technician, funny, experienced.  He tuned aurally for 60 years and
considered his tunings "right on and perfect", when truth be told.. they
weren't.  But his stubborn nature won't change his mind, because he had
refused to believe his aural tuning had faded.  And anyone not willing to
listen to the EDT-pro crowd is also stubborn, and some day will refuse to
believe their aural tuning will fade.
The art of aurally tuning is not an art at all.  A tuning is either perfect,
or less than perfect.  How is that art?  Art is considered perfect in the
eye of the beholder.  A piano tuning has to be perfect for everyone to enjoy
it, as pianos were meant to be heard.  
 
That's my opinion. don't shoot the messenger.
 
Dave Foster
 
 
From: Ryan Sowers [mailto:tunerryan at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 9:21 PM
To: toddpianoworks at att.net; pianotech at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Aural vs. ETD
 
 
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Matthew Todd <toddpianoworks at att.net> wrote:

I'm assuming most of you read the article in the latest journal regarding
aural vs. ETD.  I would like to hear more comments.  I wonder which is the
most accurate.
 
It seems to me that ones who believe that aural is THE most accurate way
have been doing it for 50+ years and have just not had the opportunity to
try the latest ETD's which have come a long way over the years.  I say that
because I was discussing this subject with a "strictly aural tuner" a while
back and he told me that his ears are still as sharp as ever.  This
gentleman by the way is in his 70's, with no hearing aids.  After he tuned a
piano, I checked it with an ETD, and his tuning was all over the place.
 
Plus, I know that you have to tune for the PTG exam, for the most part,
aurally.  But when your work is checked, do they not use an ETD?  Can anyone
tell me why that is?
 
Anyway, just my thoughts at the moment.
TODD PIANO WORKS 
Matthew Todd, Piano Technician 
(979) 248-9578
http://www.toddpianoworks.com <http://www.toddpianoworks.com/> 

I found myself applauding Susan Kline's comments the most. Some of us wackos
actually ENJOY tuning aurally. I also find that my clients appreciate it and
comment on it regularly. The fact that I'm an aural tuner and work for some
of the pickiest clients in my area has been good for my reputation. Also I
find that I get a little better at it each year. The fact that quality aural
tuners are becoming more of a rarity these days, helps those of us who
develope this skill to stand out from our competition - which is a helpful
thing these day!  So there could be a case for learning aural tuning from a
strictly business point of view. It puts you in the catagory of a "real
tuner". 

I've used ETD's some and I felt like a worker in a factory turning bolts.
(Ever see Charlie Chaplin in "Modern Times?). 

When I first got into this business it didn't take me long to realize the
top notch techs could all do a concert quality tuning without the aid of an
electronic device. The ETD is only a good tool in the hands of a good aural
tuner, IMHO. 

"If you can't tune aurally, you're not a piano tuner. Period." That's a
quote by Steve Brady (who, by the way really enjoys using his cybertuner!)

-- 
Ryan Sowers, RPT
Puget Sound Chapter
Olympia, WA
www.pianova.net
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech_ptg.org/attachments/20090404/31e01904/attachment-0001.html>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: not available
Type: image/gif
Size: 912 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech_ptg.org/attachments/20090404/31e01904/attachment-0001.gif>


More information about the pianotech mailing list

This PTG archive page provided courtesy of Moy Piano Service, LLC