[pianotech] SAT IV extended

[James Grebe]

I have no problems with the tunings created by the machine.  I am just 
trying to learn how to program in FAC in the extended part of the memory.The 
IV has 3 sections of memory the first 120 are programmed just like the III, 
then come all the generic tunings and then the extended memory portion.  I 
am not arguing
anything about aural or calculated tunings at all.
 I do not see how what I have written about is being translated into 
something I am not writing about.
James
James Grebe Est. 1962
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Love" <davidlovepianos at comcast.net>
To: <pianotech at ptg.org>
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [pianotech] SAT IV extended


> It's been written about a fair amount in an ongoing discussion about the
> plusses and minuses of aural versus electronic tuning.  If you search the
> archives you'll find more than you'll ever care to read.  I don't really
> have an opinion on the RPT exam  because although the  ETD doesn't create 
> a
> "perfect" tuning neither does an aural tuning.  The issue really hit home 
> a
> few months ago when I got two calls on the same day from different 
> customers
> one telling me that they would only hire me if I tuned aurally and the 
> other
> only if I tuned electronically.  I skirted the issue by explaining that I
> use both methods in conjunction with each other and ended up writing about
> it on my website blog-yet unfinished.  I did get hired by both, btw.  One
> can make the argument both ways, the ETD can correct mistakes in an aural
> tuning just as much as aural methods can find problems with calculated
> tuning curves.   There is one thing to note, however, the trade does have
> blind tuners, I don't think there are any deaf ones.
>
>
>
> David Love
>
> www.davidlovepianos.com
>
>
>
> From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of paul bruesch
> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 5:14 PM
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] SAT IV extended
>
>
>
> David et al,
>
> I've been following this thread with a great deal of interest. As a SAT3
> user since beginning to learn this trade about six years ago, I've been a
> bit mystified by how FAC can accurately determine a tuning. And since my
> aural skills have gotten less bad, and I've begun to notice that it's NOT
> creating a perfect tuning, I have been overruling what the SAT3 tells me 
> to
> do.
>
> I believe this is the first discussion that I recall seeing on this topic,
> and in my mind it further cements the notion that a good tuner absolutely
> MUST know what the machine is doing for him/her. It's a lot like learning 
> to
> do arithmetic on paper before resorting to using a calculator... but 
> unlike
> using a calculator, the ETD continues to require brainpower beyond knowing
> which button to push.
>
> Could I see a show of hands... who still thinks we should have an ETD-only
> RPT exam? Anyone who is inclined to raise his hand should first go back 
> and
> read -- and understand!! -- the relevant posts on this thread.
>
> Paul Bruesch
> Stillwater, MN
>
>