Jeff First, sorry for the late reply. My mind has been trying to understand the bushfire crisis in the State of Victoria, Australia I have been reading the newspapers and watching television at every possible moment. I have also been trying to explain to my four year old what is on the TV. Thank you for your work that you posted to this list. I asked you for those beat rates only to get an agreement or a disagreement with my calculations. Don't worry about them..waste of your time. Second paragraph. I know the twelfth root of two as 1.0594631. All the other information other than 3rds being 14 cents wide is new to me, so thank you for providing more "food for thought" Third paragraph. Sorry I didn't mention about short or poor quality pianos.. I know what you mean. We are lucky here in Australia that we don't have many spinet pianos.(the list frightens me when you discuss these ) I am also lucky that the majority of my work is on fairly decent pianos. Fourth paragraph.. I woke up in the middle of Sunday night with the realisation of understanding my question. As I explained, I don't use 4ths up there anyway. I use the same intervals as other writers have posted. I have not heard of the article by Robert W Young. In an earlier post I mentioned that we do not use the terminology of 2:1 4:2 8:4 octaves etc. I have read PTG Journal articles on tuning and it requires a bit of thought to work it out. Seems like second nature to you. Instead of learning those described ways of octave tuning, I have been taught a different "language" I will endeavour to learn more about your "language" so that I won't look like a dunce when I travel to USA. (hopefully soon) It has been an interesting few days and sometimes this list didn't know what planet I was from. I thought the list was going to ban me!., I have learnt so much from you. Thank you everyone. I am very fortunate to start my training in this industry when the mentioned information (Yamaha style teaching at Sydney Conservatorium) was available. The generation of tuners before me were not privy to this information. My first lessons in tuning were "until it sounds right". I argued that how can it sound right when I have no idea! I obtained a copy of the book from the Sydney course and I was told to "learn this". I was a real pain in the@#$% as I wanted to count beats and I asked questions that most techs couldn't answer. I would not been able to comprehend the process of tuning without obtaining the theory. My learning process is to ask before I act. Thanks to all for the experience. I'll try to be quite for a while. BTW Those guys who are into rebuilding, soundboards, moving agraffes, etc WOW. I think Ron Nossaman was in Australia a few years ago speaking at our APTTA Convention.. was it Adelaide 2004? I wish William to accuse me of shouting.. "Shouting" is an Australian term for buying someone a drink. Kind regards Brian Wilson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech_ptg.org/attachments/20090211/15baee40/attachment.html>
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