Let's all make a new year's resolution to ignore this guy. On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 8:05 PM, <pianotek2000 at aol.com> wrote: > Thanks to all who responded to my observation and comment on the commercial > use of this list as it's given me a real insight into your group, and > apologies to all who were offended. Very telling. Didn't realize this > was such a close knit, and rather defensive group. Will Truitt, the most > reasoned response. Sounds like a professional. Dale Erwin appears to be > the mother hen of the list, a little possessive and obviously wants to keep > the flock on track. Someone pointed out to me that he also uses the forum > to promote his own business ventures so not surprised he was offended. > > Most of you jumped to the conclusion that I must have something against the > pianoforte supply company but, frankly, I had never heard of them until I > viewed your list which, having now looked at the website, realize its only > an individual masquerading as a company, but probably a very good technician > as most of you attest. Please don't start another thread with that > comment. It's not meant to be derogative. Many techs have augmented > their income that way for years, Wally Brooks being probably the most > successful at it. > > The most interesting aspects of all your comments was that, in your view, > Jurgen represents the top end of the rebuilding business. I didn't see > much available on his website that would indicate that or contribute to > quality rebuilding. If I were distributing hammers as poorly constructed > as those shown on his website, which look like knockoffs of another > successful product, I sure wouldn't publish the pictures. This business > can be subjective, however, and I'm happy to accept your nearly unanimous > view that what I saw on Jurgen's website represents quality from your > perspective. > > From a c ompetitive standpoint, that's good new for me but probably sad for > the industry. I am a major rebuilder, still not ready to give you my last > name or company details, but I was asked to view your website; made the > mistake of giving a very quick impression of what I saw as a common misuse > of these kinds of forums and have been castigated by your group ever since. > I won't be bothering you in the future. Continue with your version of the > high end of piano rebuilding and I'll continue with mine. Good luck to > all of you and, again, by sincere apologies to all who I've offended. > > Good luck in the New Year. > John, with no last name. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Ilvedson <ilvey at sbcglobal.net> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 2:36 pm > Subject: Re: [pianotech]20wurzen front punching felt > Just as in-appropriate...'-[ > > David Ilvedson, RPT > Pacifica, CA 94044 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Avery Todd <ptuner1 at gmail.com> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 2:28 pm > Subject: Re: [pianotech] Blatant Commercialization (was Re: wurzen front > punching) > I'm late coming in on this but I agree with what everyone else wrote. > Except THAT John, of course! Who is he? Who does he "think" he is? > > Avery Todd > > -----Original Message----- > From: Will Truitt <surfdog at metrocast.net> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:35 pm > Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt > Amen. > > Will Truitt > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Anderson <anrebe at sbcglobal.net> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 9:43 am > Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt > > Gentleman, > It is time to lay this poor dead old horse to rest. > > Enough is, in this case, more then enough. > > Andrew Anderson > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Monroe <pianotech at a440piano.net> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 7:28 am > Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt > Honestly folks, > > I'm as annoyed as anyone with this "John" post, but I really think we do > ourselves a disservice by lowering ourselves this way. Will Truitt's post > said what we are all obviously thinking and did it in a diplomatic way. I > think we would all benefit from an approach that seeks to elevate ourselves > and our brethren of the trade. Too much anger these days - we don't need to > be a part of it. > > Not saying I haven't had the same type of thoughts, Tom (and others) just > that it doesn't do us any good as a group or an individual. I have had at > least one client that recognized me and my posts on the list. > > William R. Monroe > > -----Original Message----- > From: aol <bunkypiano at aol.com> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 7:19 am > Subject: Re: [pianotech]=2 0wurzen front punching felt > This latest thread with John has really pissed me off. Sorry to stoop to > his level but I can't help myself so I'll say it. Hey John, why don't you > come to Louisiana and I'll just whip your ass myself, you ignorant son of a > bitch! > Tom Mc Nabb > Mc Nabb Music > The Keyboard Clinic > 200 West Magnolia > Bunkie, La. 71322 > 318-346-7111 > Oh, to all of the rest of you, best wishes and a Happy New Year! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Will Truitt <surfdog at metrocast.net> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 9:45 pm > Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt > Thanks Starr: > > I think it's time for everybody to stop throwing the hand grenades, I > suspect that John X is a bit shell shocked by now. I am sure he knows he > has the Poor Housekeeping sign of Disapproval. Maybe we all should back off > now and give him the opportunity to redeem himself, if that possibility is > within his heart. > > Will > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ryan Sowers <tunerryan at gmail.com> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 5:35 pm > Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt > As the original poster regarding the Crecendo punchings, I have to > whole-heatedly agree with all those who have come to Jurgen's defense. I > would encourage "John" doe piano tech to apologize for the hurtful email. I > also am aware that Jurgen is not only trying to run a piano supply business > but he is actually out there fixing pianos as well! Hat's off to you Jurgen! > > On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 8:20 PM, <pianotek2000 at aol.com> wrote: > The list shouldn't be used for this kind of blatant commercialization. Run > an ad, Jurgen, and quit using the list to sell your products. You're a > nothing in this industry. > > John > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dean May <deanmay at piano rebuilders.com> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 4:50 pm > Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt > > I want one of those flamesuits. Do you accept PayPal? > > Dean > > Dean May cell 812.239.3359 > > PianoRebuilders.com 812.235.5272 > > Terre Haute IN 47802 > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Andersen <david at davidandersenpianos.com> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:19 am > Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt > On Dec 31, 2008, at 8:24 AM, Roger Jolly wrote: > > > I suggest you button your mouth, listen and learn. > > I apologize to the rest of the list for blowing, but this is beyond > > reasonable. > > Roger Jolly > > PS maybe I do nothing? > > NO! I love what you said. 100% true. Keep saying it forever. > > xoxoDA > > -----Original Message----- > From: Doodles <noodles at oodles.orangehome.co.uk> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 10:38 am > Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt > *As usual, it's the lurkers who have nothing to contribute that do the > whining!* > > *Remember the saying; "empty barrels make the most noise"!* > > *AF* > > -----Original Message----- > From: paul bruesch <paul at bruesch.net> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 9:58 am > Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt > Top and center, Marketplace page in the back of the November 2008 PTJ. > Maybe you don't receive it? > Paul BRUESCH > Stillwater, MN > > -----Original Message----- > From: Starr Taylor <st.piano at verizon.net> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 9:46 am > Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt > Great Post Will! I could use some of your diplomacy and I seriously > considered an International Relations Degree when going to college. Hats off > to your grace and maturity. > > Starr > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger Jolly <roger.j at sasktel.net> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 9:24 am > Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt > Dear Sir, > I take great exception to your Snide remarks, aimed at > Jurgen G0e ring and Piano Forte. > > For the record. Jurgen is a highly trained technician, that has taught at > various conventions, sharing his vast wealth of knowledge. > His constant searching for superior tools and materials in Europe has been > a great benefit to a large percentage of the top tech's on this Continent. > In turn this has lead to superior piano performance for the end users. > His commitment to our community should be applauded not criticized. > > Now a question for you, if you have the back bone to answer. What have you > done to enrich our community? I suspect nothing. I suspect you are at the > very bottom level of skill set, because you would never have made such a > stupid remark. > > I suggest you button your mouth, listen and learn. > > I apologize to the rest of the list for blowing, but this is beyond > reasonable. > > Roger Jolly > > PS maybe I do nothing? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shawn Brock <shawnbrock at fuse.net> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 8:45 am > Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt > John, > > every convention I have ever been to Jurgen has been involved in the trade > show. Admittedly I have only been to 4 conventions, but I'm sure Jurgen has > been to more than that. I am a proud RPT member of the PTG but I expect > Jurgen has been more involved and has given more in the way of money and > support to the Guild than I have. He has always been a good fellow to deal > with and has aloud me to grope his merchandise as long as I have wanted to > at conventions. His business is small and you are not just another set of > key easing pliers with him, I can't say that is the same with one of the > other supply houses you referenced. I can say that his products are of a > higher quality than the big supply house you have mentioned though and they > are built to last. They are not as cheap but you get what you pay for. I > don't care how much Schaff advertises in the PTJ that don't mean they have > the best tools and materials. They have proven that to me time and time > again. Another thing that always irks me with them is they act like its a > big deal if you call them for a price check on a product, if you don't have > your account number they will go through the roof! They are not at the top > when it comes to customer service. Some of the products they offer have > lessened in quality over the years and it seems like no one in house can > answer questions about anything they sell. I will only get products from > people who actually have piano technician experience, but that's just > me. You are just sharing your opinion and I don't see anything wrong with > that, but you shouldn't have call the man or the company a nothing in this > business. Everyone is a nothing in any business. It don't matter what you > do, you can be replaced. > > Shawn Brock, RPT > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Andersen <david at davidandersenpianos.com> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 8:23 am > Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt > My insult-spewing, conclusion-jumping, unobservant, unaware colleague, > "John," has put his toe in a pond he knows nothing a bout. Okay, "John," > here's the story. Your first comment, and now this one, assures us that you > know nothing about this man Jurgen---a most giving, most supportive piano > technician, father, and friend---or his business, Pianoforte Supply, one of > the best suppliers to the high end of our craft. I've seen his ads in PTJ. > "John," why don't you attempt to bum another whole group of people out > somewhere else with your hand-grenade-throwing, know-nothing statements? > Just a thought: please don't make your psychological problems our cross to > bear. K? > David Andersen > proud colleague of Jurgen Goering > > -----Original Message----- > From: J Patrick Draine <jpdraine at gmail.com> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 8:14 am > Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt > Wow, > Somebody has blown off everyone else from the list of nominations for > "Pianotech's Mr Cranky For 2008!" Thank goodness, cuz I know I would have > gotten a few votes. > Happier New Year, > Patrick > -----Original Message----- > From: erwinspiano at aol.com > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 6:43 am > Subject: Re: [pianotech] Was Wurzen Felt.....New topic forums? > *Hi JEff** > * *All good thoughts. However there is a **huge **difference between > having a heated difference of opinion based on discussion & being blindsided > by an offensive & personal attack on ones integrity,credibility & > motivations. Unacceptable** > Jurgen Goering is one of the most kind & decent humans I know. This man, > John X,whatever.. . completely disregarded Jurgens humanity with his callous > and rude statements. He was probably parroting something some else said. > A list for suppliers of goods & services would be a great idea. Some one > would need to monitor it administratively. How bout you Jeff? Grin. > Yuuu cuuld keyp our spellling in liine as weell. > Happy New year > Dale* > > I agree that John went over the top in his statement, but that is not an > uncommon > occurrence on this board, witness the discussions regarding ETD's and exam > processes > that pop up often. Frequently discussions become heated and steam is > released via the > –computer– keyboard. I would hazard a guess that most of these folks, if > given the > chance, would gladly reword their replies to save the point made without > starting such a > rukus. Maybe not. On a side note, I have noticed that as tempers rise, > spelling and grammar fall which makes the rant rather comical to > read...research topic for an English Major? I am very new in this > business, about two years, but I have come to value this board and the many, > many technical discussions I have followed have helped me in countless ways. > In the interest of keeping the focus on technical discussion and yet > allowing for an open forum for new products and for letting off legitimate > steam, cannot a new list be developed to answer each need? I would imagine > that many techs, from rookies like me to seasoned veterans who still love > new tools and tricks would love such a dedicated area to browse and to post > their own and I have no doubt that the steam relief valve board would get > the wires smoking in no time. > > Just an early morning thought to bring in the new year, which I hope is > full of appointments and good business for all. > > Jeff > > Jeffrey Cutler > Piano Service > jeff at chordsandboards.com > 651-398-6293 > -----Original Message----- > From: Al Guecia/AlliedPianoCraft <AlliedPianoCraft at hotmail.com> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 6:25 am > Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt > Many on this list come up with some great words. So I'll start a *fill > in the blanks*. > > No last name = *Coward* > > Unprovoked attack = *Envy* > > No apology = *Loser* > > Al G > > -----Original Message----- > From: andré oorebeek <oorebeek at planet.nl> > To: pianotech at ptg.org <pianotech at ptg.org> > Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 5:25 am > Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt > This guy 'John' is out of line and indeed should apologize. > Jurgen is a great guy, a friend to many and a very experieced and > knowledgable piano echnician. > > Friendly greetings > from > Andre Oorebeek > > -----Original Message----- > From: Al Guecia/AlliedPianoCraft <AlliedPianoCraft at hotmail.com> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 5:06 am > Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt > WOW! ................Take a chill pill man!!! > > Al G > > -----Original Message----- > From: Conrad Hoffsommer <hoffsoco at luther.edu> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 4:44 am > Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt > erwinspiano at aol.com wrote: > > Heck, I'm offended _and_ offensive... > > As the original Nothing-in-this-industry, with my full line of > Vapoorwear(TM) Flamesuits and related accessori es, I virtually _created_ > my own cottage industry. (or is that - created my own virtual industry) > > Cease and desist this nothingness, or I shall be forced to do some serious > product testing. > > BTW, Happy New Year > > Flamesuit > > -----Original Message----- > From: Will Truitt <surfdog at metrocast.net> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 4:25 am > Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt > Dear John: > > I will join the many others who have kind words to say about Jurgen. I > have ordered parts from him that I cannot get anywhere else. He is > dedicated to carrying the best stuff, and he has worked hard to carry a > unique product line. Obviously, you have never ordered from him, or you > would have the experience that I have had, whether by phone or e-mail, and > that is that he goes out of his way to be helpful and of service. I am > confident that is also the experience of others on this list who use him. > Not that it means anything in business, but he's a hell of a nice guy too. > > > You are right that Jurgen is not one of the BIG BOYS. He's a "little guy" > business like you and me who is trying to make his business succeed by > working his ass off and giving great service. How can I do anything but > absolutely respect that, and want to support it with my business? You may > not think he does enough to support the industry, but I believe he does what > he can. > > When you say, "You are a nothing in this industry", it does not matter > whether you are talking about him personally or his business, it is > genuinely offensive. Your further explanation seems to shovel more dirt > into your grave than help you. > > You aren't the first person on this list to put your foot into your mouth, > and you probably won't be the last. But I know what I do when I realize > that I have said something stupid and have offended someone – I take stock > of my error, acknowledge it fully, and apologize. And you know what? It's > a cleansing experience that puts things behind you. > > I believe you owe Jurgen an apology, which you should do publicly since you > made your comments here and perhaps privately as well. And share your last > name with us too. Here that will be part of being a man and owning your > mistake. > > If you can do that, I will welcome you to this forum with the caveat that > you respect a certain amount of decorum. > > Sincerely yours, > > Will Truitt > > -----Original Message----- > From: A440A at aol.com > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 4:08 am > Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt > > Greetings, > > I disagree. Pianoforte doesn't "take", they sell. I buy. The ads are there because they pay for themselves. Supporting the industry? They AR > E the industry. Whether they advertise or not is a business decision, not a charitable decision and there is no need to create adversity out of thin air. > > I am grateful to the smaller, boutique companies. They operate on a smaller margin, take bigger chances, (atypical wire, odd sizes of leather, esoteric tools, etc.), and offer some products, (like the Wurzen punchings), that are really different. > > > > Ed Foote RPT > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kent Swafford <kswafford at gmail.com> > To: pianotek2000 at aol.com > Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 4:07 am > Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt > PTG lists are not anonymous. Please sign your posts with both your first > and last names. > > Posts which state opinions about what subjects should and should not appear > on the lists should be sent only privately. > > Thanks, > > Kent Swafford, Chair > PTG Electronic Communications Committee > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fenton Murray <fmurray at cruzio.com> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 12:18 am > Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt > Jurgen always buys a booth at conventions and advertises in the PTJ, even > in NY where he couldn't take my money. > Fenton Murray, RPT > 06 exhibit hall director Cal State. > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Ross <jrpiano at win.eastlink.ca> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:42 pm > Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt > *Obviously, you don't go to conventions, or you would have seen Jurgen, at > his booth.* > *You either don't get the Journal, or you don't read the ads, because I > have seen Jurgen's ad in it.* > *How many conventions have you gone to, oh that's right, I figured that > out already.* > *By the way, since I am also named John, it would be nice to see a last > name, so people don't think you are me. You know, the people that have met > me at conventions.* > *Obviously, you are a somebody.* > *John Ross* > *Windsor**, Nova Scotia, Canada* > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Love <davidlovepianos at comcast.net> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:38 pm > Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt > Well at least you're not offensive. > > David Love > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Love <davidlovepianos at comcast.net> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:36 pm > Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt > Sorry, wrong! There are any number of individuals and small companies > providing specialty tools and parts whose contributions are developing, > searching out, stocking and offering for distribution items that would not > otherwise be available from the main suppliers. Many of these individuals > don't have nearly the volume as a Yamaha, Schaff or Renner to be able to run > "big ads" in the journal or "all star" presentations (lunch included) > nevertheless they provide a valuable service to those techs who are > constantly looking for new ideas, tools, parts and ways to do things better > (and, btw, Pianoforte does run ads in the journal). Don't be naïve, the > investment that Renner, Schaff and Yamaha make are vehicles to promote their > products and they are fortunate (as are we who b enefit) to have the capital > for larger scale promotions. The bottom line is still the same—they need to > make money. Smaller companies like Pianoforte are entitled to make a living > for the service they provide as well even if their promotions can't match > those of the big boys. Do you think, btw, that the techs who contribute to > this list don't sometimes engage in self promotion? Does that diminish > their technical contributions? > > Last name would be good, btw > David Love > > -----Original Message----- > From: Keith McGavern <kam544 at allegiance.tv> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:35 pm > Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt > John, > > There is no way that you could word what you have said in a better fashion. > Your comments concerning PIANO FORTE SUPPLY<http://www.pianofortesupply.com/> & > Jurgen Goering are incomprehensible. > > Keith > > -----Original Message----- > From: erwinspiano at aol.com > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:23 pm > Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt > * I did** > I'm not defensive. I'm offended. > Dale* > -----Original Message----- > From: erwinspiano at aol.com > To: p ianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:16 pm > Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt > *Again. You've got it so wrong.** > You've got an ax to grind & you don't know what you're talking about. > It takes a major league effort to be any kind of parts & goods provider > to our fickle industry. Jurgen has many parts & supplies unavaialble from > other sources. First class first rate products. > I firmly support all folks of integrity providing this kind of service to > our professional community whether it be in the guild or without. Who cares? > In any case you're new here many people providing goods & services have > informed of us products we might other wise not know about. I don't recall > any of them being reamed as you have just done. > SO what's you're real beef? > * *Get a grip.** > Dale Erwin* > > -----Original Message----- > From: pianotek2000 at aol.com > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:12 pm > Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt > Dale, Please reread my last post and clarification before you become so > defensive. > > John > > > -----Original Message----- > From: erwinspiano at aol.com > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:04 pm > Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt > *WOW** > Lighten up! Jurgen is a valued member & colleague of this list. Perhaps > your'e new here but one purpose of this list is to critique & expose > ourselves to new & useful products. Your rudeness is unwelcome. > "Your 'e a Nothin g in this industry"? Who the H_ _ _ do you think you > are? > Apologize or Get Lost...really > Sincerely > Dale* > > -----Original Message----- > From: pianotek2000 at aol.com > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 9:59 pm > Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt > My comment could have been better worded. The intent was to point out > that Jurgen's outfit contributes nothing to the industry, not that he > personally is a nothing. I don't know him. There are people in our > industry who genuinely give and those that only take. I've never seen > pianoforte company run an ad, sponsor a major class or support the > industry. They only try to skim off the efforts of others. Look at the > January PTG Journal just delivered. Companies like Yamaha, Schaff, Renner, > etc. , all run the big ads in our Journal that support us and help make the > PTG possible. Schaff told me that most of their busines s comes from non > PTG members. I'm sure the same is true with Renner, so why do they do > that. Renner told me they do it because they believe the PTG represents the > best opportuntity to continue raise the level of professionalisim in this > trade. I'm only suggesting that Jurgen starts supporting us the way the > other companies do and not just use the LIst in lieu of advertising. As far > as responding to a question about his products, Mike, that's one of the > oldest setups on the List. Jurgen's not the first one to try it. I'm only > pointing out the obvious. We're in a shrinking business, and I'm grateful > for the companies that continue to invest and grow our business and less > tolerant of the companies like Pianoforte who only take. > > John > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don <pianotuna at accesscomm.ca> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:45 pm > Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt > > Hi John (with no last name), > > > > Thanks for giving Jurgen some free advertising. You make me want to do > > business with him. > > > > At 11:20 PM 12/30/2008 -0500, you wrote: > > > The list shouldn't be used for this kind of blatant commercialization. Run an ad, Jurgen, and quit using the list to sell your products. You're a nothing in this industry. > > > > > > John > > Regards, > > Don Rose, B.Mus., A.M.U.S., A.MUS., R.P.T. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Page <jonpage at comcast.net> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 9:39 pm > Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt > John > Jurgen is a valued member of the piano tech community with positive > information to advance the trade. > > Just what do you have to offer. > -- > Regards, > > Jon Page > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Spalding <mike.spalding1 at verizon.net> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 9:35 pm > Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt > Dear John, > > Personally, I have no objection to Jurgen responding to questions about his > products in this manner. I'm bothered more by gratuitous insults such as > "you're a nothing". > > Just my 2 cents. > > Mike Spalding > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Love <davidlovepianos at comcast.net> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 9:32 pm > Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt > It's just information. > > David Love > www.davidlovepianos.com > > From: pianotek2000 at aol.com > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 9:20 pm > Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt > > The list shouldn't be used for this kind of blatant commercialization. Run > an ad, Jurgen, and quit using the list to sell your products. You're a > nothing in this industry. > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jurgen Goering <pianoforte at pianofortesupply.com> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:58 pm > Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt > > Ry Sowers asked about how the Crescendo Punchings are being received. > > The short answer is "very well, thank you", judging by the sales > > numbers. Admittedly, it is mainly the high end rebuilders who use > > this punching almost exclusively. As has been noted, there a > re cases > > where the Crescendos may not be the best option, and of course > > personal preference always plays into it as well. > > The fact that top end companies such as Steingraeber (and others) are > > using this felt is an unspoken endorsement. For more user opinions on > > Crescendos, see: > > http://www.pianofortesupply.com/cresc.testimonia.html > > Someone mentioned ironing the conventional green punchings. I have > > also heard of using hammer hardener on FR punchings. To suggest this > > as an alternative to Crescendo punchings is nai > ve. The Crescendo felt > > has a certain firmness and density, but the proprietary felting method > > used, which is akin to the famous Wurzen hammer felt, preserves the > > natural resilience of the wool fiber. Pressing felt with heat will > > destroy the resilience which is needed to cushion the key blow. > > Jurgen Goering > > Piano Forte Supply > > (250) 754-2440 > > > > ------------------------------ > Get a *free MP3* every day with the Spinner.com Toolbar. Get it Now<http://toolbar.aol.com/spinner/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000020>. > > -- Ryan Sowers, RPT Puget Sound Chapter Olympia, WA www.pianova.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech_ptg.org/attachments/20090102/598bed17/attachment-0001.html>
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