[pianotech] OT vacuum press/vacuum clamping system

paul bruesch paul at bruesch.net
Thu Mar 5 15:15:02 PST 2009


I'm taking turns out of school, perhaps, but Nomex is what firefighters
protective clothing is made from.
Paul Bruesch
Stillwater, MN

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Farrell <mfarrel2 at tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

>  Some sort of hand pump may give you a vacuum, but unless the adhesive you
> are using sets in minutes, you're gonna have one sore hand. The pump I
> bought was the smallest vacuum pump I could find - and it is all I need. I
> did a laminated soundboard panel for a 7' Bluthner - big bag - and that pump
> worked just fine.
>
> As far as the bag goes, like I said, the place I get mine from make custom
> sizes. For the bag for that 7' panel I had them make both ends open for easy
> access. They have a very easy to use positive sealing system on their bags.
> Don't get bags with a zip-lock-type seal - I tried those initially, and
> found that dust and wood chips get in there and render the seal useless. The
> offer thick bags (if I remember, 2 or 3 mm) vinyl or something better. I
> don't use the bags daily, so I just went with the thin vinyl - the cheapest
> they had - I've had them a couple years now and have run dozens of pinblocks
> and rib slabs through them without ever getting a leak (oops, just one leak,
> but I patched it very easily).
>
> I also have the venturi pump on the same page as my pump, but rarely use it
> because it requires the compressor to run all the time.
>
> What's nomex?
>
> Terry Farrell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> Thanks for the info.  I'm glad someone knows something about these things.
> I have never even looked at one of these before and don't know squat...  I
> don't
> know that I need a large pump because of the nature of the work.  I would
> just be using it to press tops and or backs of guitars.  One wood working
> outfit in town has one that has a 14 by 49 bag and comes with some sort of
> hand pump.  Like I stated earlier though the dimensions of the bag don't
> work for me and I don't know what to expect from a hand pump system.  I'm
> sure I wouldn't need a pump with massive power but the hand pump might be a
> little wimpy.  Do you have any thoughts on this?  Basically what I would
> like to do is take the soundboard, glue on a layer of nomex and press it.
> After that I would thin down the soundboard from about 3/4mm to 2mm, glue
> another board on putting the nomex in-between like a sandwich and press
> again.  It seems easy enough, its just figuring out what kind of equipment
> would work the best.
>  Regards,
> Shawn Brock, RPT
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Farrell <mfarrel2 at tampabay.rr.com>
> Vacuum pressing is enough of a specialty area that I really don't think
> you'll find much on the street. There's really only a few places that sell
> that stuff. You really need to go on-line to find what works for you.
>
> I use vacuum pressing for building laminated soundboard panels, rib sets
> and gluing just about any large flat/cured panel to another. Basically all
> you need is a vacuum pump and a plastic bag. I have my bags custom made at
> http://www.vacupress.com/pricing.htm  (scroll about half way down for
> their bags - they also make custom sizes). I also buy my adhesive from them
> http://www.vacupress.com/veneerglue.htm .  I bought my vacuum pump from
> these folks - the CD100
> http://www.vac-u-clamp.com/products/basic-pumps/index.htm - it's a real
> workhorse and all you need.
>
> I'm happy to share tons more info on tips, techniques, equipment, etc. -
> just ask away.
>
> Terry Farrell
>
>
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