Hey Paul, My old friend! How many years do you and I go back? Because of our friendship I can tell you that I am burning out on this subject for tonight, but will comment on your well stated observations below another time - tomorrow perhaps. See ya! Nick Gravagne, RPT Piano Technicians Guild Member Society Manufacturing Engineers Voice Mail 928-476-4143 _____ From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of PAULREVENKOJONES at aol.com Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 8:33 PM To: pianotech at ptg.org Subject: Re: [pianotech] Aurally pure octaves In a message dated 3/13/2009 9:27:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time, gravagnegang at att.net writes: The sensation of hearing beats at their pitch frequencies is real. Exactly. I fail to see a difference between the so-called "whole-tone" approach (which is yet unclear in its application) and the use of a dominant partial set. The partial set is part of the whole tone. The whole tone contains the partial set. We all hear it all, all the time, and use it, beware to those who don't. None of us, I think, is saying that we entirely depend on the exact relationship of the 2nd partial of the lower frequency in the octave to the 1st partial (fundamental) of the upper frequency in an octave. The two "approaches" happen at the same time if we are listening with all our ears and with sensitivity.. The only correction to the statement below I would make is that it is too non-objective. It is not just a sensation of hearing, it is a real hearing of the beats, and it can be at their pitch frequencies or not. As I said, I don't pay much attention anymore to the pitch, but to the dominating beating to which I am highly trained to be able to pluck out of the morass of sound in an interval, octave or not. I am using the "whole tone" as an information source to refine my sense of the interval, but the "whole tone" is the creator and refiner of the beating of the coincident partial set that I am using as my major guide to the correctness of the interval I am seeking. Or am I fooling myself? Paul _____ A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See <http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=htt p:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID% 3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62> yours in just 2 easy steps! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech_ptg.org/attachments/20090313/a66fa1aa/attachment.html>
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