Hi Phil, Do I read your first sentence correctly ? Are these measurements taken before or after you tuned ? And did you tune with the Stopper program ? I'm really tempted to take a trip over there this summer and see how Stoppers tuning lines up with both the Tune lab manual approach I have worked with these past 8-9 years and for that matter how it lines up with the Pocket Tunelab capability of doing a 3:1 stretch. I think Bob has had that capability on his ETD for 5-6 years now, but he can correct me if I am wrong. But most interesting would be a comparison to the so called <<whole tone style>> of tuning the Virgil teaches. If that compared favorably enough to P-12ths in general, or especially favorable to one or another of the three basic approaches I know of today, then we'd be on to something really cool. Perhaps the hunt for the natural beat will end in success after all one day. Cheers RicB Phil writes: Ric said: "A comparison between SAT, Cybertuner, and any 12ths approach should be rather predictable to begin with... and fairly uninteresting I should think. Compare Bernards software to Virgil." You're reading my mind Ric. I was at a piano today that I tuned last year aurally..again, it has been a year since I tuned it. I measured A2 - (0) A3 - (-.5) A4 - (0) A5 - (-4.3) A6 - (4.8) The numbers in parenthesis represent cents. The piano is a small Chickering - Baldwin-made, with Accu-Just. The model is not on the plate..probably 4'10". -break points at F3 and F5. I found it interesting that my numbers up to E5 hovered around 0. As soon as I reached F5(treble break point), the numbers dropped. I'm not sure what to make of it..only sharing what was measured. Now, I am no Virgil Smith..only have been trying to emulate his style. I realize the best solution to all this is to do what you suggest - measure against Virgil. Right now, for our discussion, this is my contribution. -Phil Bondi(Fl)
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