[pianotech] Tuning in a down economy

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Sat Mar 21 06:39:18 PDT 2009


The big caveat in this is the now rising cost of gas again to all who use 
their cars for work.
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "pianolover 88" <pianolover88 at hotmail.com>
To: <pianotech at ptg.org>
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Tuning in a down economy



Lol. I know the difference between the two. I was simply using it as an 
*example* that raising your rates in a SUFFERING economy is a BAD idea, just 
as raising taxes is also a bad idea. Unless your current rates are just 
ridiculously low to begin with, then I can see maybe raising them to be 
competitive with your fellow technicians. But to just decide to raise your 
rates in the face of such a downturn in the economy just doesn't make sense. 
Some of the most affluent folks are looking for good deals too! I'm also not 
advocating cutting your prices, unless they are so out of step and 
significanlty higher than the competition. My fees have remained the same 
and I neither have the need, nor incination to change them at this time.

Terry Peterson

Accurate Piano Service
UniGeezer.com
"Over 50, and not "2" Tired!"




Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 22:41:30 -0700
From: tunerryan at gmail.com
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Tuning in a down economy

I disagree wholeheartedly.  Taxes are imposed, tuning is not. Technicians 
should charge what the market will bear. I'm not a high volume tuner. I have 
a friend who tunes over 1000 pianos a year. I tune around 600. He's out of 
houses in an hour - I take 1.5 to 2 hours.


Steve Brady made an interesting observation at one of our chapter meetings 
recently. He was speculating that the reason why piano technicians don't 
charge enough for their work is that they tend to be do-it-yourself types 
who clean out their own gutters and fix their own toilets. If you want some 
perspective on what professional service people charge to make house calls, 
start hiring other people to do these things. Steve told a story about 
servicing an upright in an upscale home. When he submitted his bill the 
gentleman commented, "that's a lot for an upright piano". Steve looked him 
in the eye and said " I pay the guy who cleans out my gutters more than 
that". The guy ended up giving Steve a tip and had him back soon after to 
tune their grand.


When I started going to PTG conferences in 1992 I heard the mantra "charge 
more". It used to turn me off. It took well over a decade before I started 
to get it. Of course if you're going to charge more you should also be able 
to deliver outstanding service. One of my rules about rates is that if I 
start feeling like I don't want to push myself at my appointments it 
probably means I'm due for an increase. The other indicator is if I'm 
consistently booked out 3 weeks or so.


Every technician decides what his/her time is worth. I find if my 
compensation is better I enjoy my work more and my clients treat me with 
more respect. The quality of the instruments I work on improves, as does the 
willingness  clients to pay for more extensive service.


Even though the media is beatings us over the head with what a "down 
economy" we are in, keep in mind that our industry exists in a microcosm 
compared to the overall economy. There are approximately 500,000 people 
within a 50 mile radius of my home. I only need to find about 550 of those 
folks to get their pianos serviced. Around half of those are loyal, repeat 
customers.


This year I decided to set my new rate by working backwards: First I decided 
how many pianos I wanted to service. Then I decided how much money I wanted 
to earn by servicing pianos. Then I simply did the division. I felt some 
trepidation since it came to a $20 increase. Other years I'd raised my rates 
by $5 or $10. Yet, so far work has not dropped off at all. Surprisingly many 
of our clients are in some of the outlying areas that are the most 
"depressed". The reality is that even in depressed areas, there are still 
doctors, lawyers, teachers, nurses, and successful business people. Many of 
these folks love to play the piano and are willing to pay for a person who 
can tune, regulate, and voice. Even people on very limited income will 
occasionally scrape some money together to get their piano tuned - and some 
of them have the sense to hire someone good who will to the little extra 
things that make the piano play better.


Don't sell yourself short, unless you really don't have what it takes to be 
a serious piano technician.







On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 8:23 PM, pianolover 88 <pianolover88 at hotmail.com> 
wrote:






Raising your rates in a down economy is like raising taxes. It's just a bad 
idea.

Terry Peterson

Accurate Piano Service
UniGeezer.com
"Over 50, and not "2" Tired!"




To: pianotech at ptg.org

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 04:28:37 -0400
From: wimblees at aol.com
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Tuning in a down economy

Ryan



First, I have a web site. I just don't mention it here, because you guys 
don't need my services. But it is on all my promotional and advertising.



I need to make this one point, again. Most of you who have been in business 
for a long time might not remember what it was like when you first started 
out. But if you were like me, when I started out in St. Louis 32 years ago, 
I remember many days with no appointments, and I would tune any piano, 
anywhere, for almost any amount. Fast forward 32 years, and I am in the same 
situation. Only this time, the economy is in a tail spin, especially here in 
Hawaii. Tourism, which is the driving force behind Hawaii's economy, is down 
30%. That might not sound like a lot, but just think about your situation, 
and what you would do if your business was down 30%. Add to that, that I am 
not as well known as the other tuners. I don't' give a (*&^%% what the other 
tuner think of me. All I am doing is trying to make a living. And if I have 
to drop my rates another 10%, to generate more business, I'll do it.




Hey, for those of you who have more business than you can handle, even after 
raising your rates, more power to you. But until you have been in my shoes, 
don't tell me what you think I should be doing.





Wim





-----Original Message-----

From: Ryan Sowers <tunerryan at gmail.com>

To: pianotech at ptg.org

Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 7:29
 pm

Subject: Re: [pianotech] Tuning in a down economy






Don't lower your rates! Don't lower your rates! Should I say it again?



We raised our rates $20 this year and are continuing to be committed to the 
full piano service approach.



Wim, I notice you don't have a website? This is a no-brainer. Get a presence 
on the web as of yesterday!



I know a gentleman who hired a minimum wage employee to cold call everyone 
in his local phone book. This could be one way to generate some clients when 
your starting in a new area.



Do you have a business plan? A marketing plan?



I think slashing your rates is a big mistake. Not only will it hurt your 
reputation, it will also make a negative impression on your professional 
peers. You might be better off getting another job on the side, and keeping 
your rates up.






On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 5:04 PM, <wimblees at aol.com> wrote:




Tuning in a down economy





A little while ago we discussed our work during this slow economic time. 
While some of you are busier than ever, there are quite a few who are 
experiencing a significant decline in income. I wrote that I was considering 
lowering my tuning fee by 40% in an effort to get more business.






Some of you stated that I shouldn’t lower my rates, and that I should only 
charge what I am worth.  That’s fine, but exactly what am I worth? I know 
what I should be charging, but I also know what the other piano tuners in 
Hawaii are charging. Although my “normal” rates are more than the others, I 
wasn’t getting enough business to pay the bills. So I had a choice to make: 
starve, or lower my rates. I chose=2 0the latter.






On Good Morning America last week they interviewed a couple of people who 
had been laid off from their high paying corporate jobs. These people were 
now flipping hamburgers, walking dogs, and doing yard work to help pay the 
bills. The money they were earning didn’t come close=2
0to what they had been making before, and they were obviously way over 
qualified to do this kind of work.  But the alternative was not to pay to 
bills.





That’s kind of how I feel. My tunings are as good, if not better, than the 
other piano tuners on this island. Although I have had some clients tell me 
they have never heard their piano sound this good. for the most part, I know 
I am way over qualified to work on the majority of pianos. But, I have bills 
to pay, and if the only way I can do that is to tune a spinet for less than 
I am worth, then that’s what I have to do.






Two weeks ago I sent out over 550 post cards to customers who hadn’t had 
their piano tuned for a year or more, announcing a 30% discount. In two 
weeks an ad will appear in several community magazines offering the same 
discount, and even free estimates. Although I have had about a dozen call, I 
have not had the number of appointments I anticipated. I even had some 
clients who asked what the discounted price would be, say thank you, an
d hung up. I guess it wasn’t “low enough”. But if I don’t try to get some 
business, it will be a long dry summer.





This is my way of telling those of you who are seeing a decline in your 
business that there is nothing wrong with offering your services at less 
than what you are worth. Hopefully the discounts will only be temporary, and 
we can all go back to charging what we are worth.






Wim





PS: Despite the decline in income, I was able to save up enough money to 
book a flight to Grand Rapids. I might wind up sleeping on a park bench, but 
going to a PTG Convention is not an option. It’s a requirement. I hope to 
see all of you there.







Willem (Wim) Blees, RPT

Piano Tuner/Technician

Mililani, Oahu, HI

808-349-2943

Author of:

The Business of Piano Tuning

available=2
0from Potter Press

www.pianotuning.com






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