[pianotech] Increasing bridge height

Will Truitt surfdog at metrocast.net
Wed Mar 25 16:39:17 PDT 2009


Hi Jude:

 

I am pleased with the detail of your response.

 

1.       The current bass string heights are 198 mm. on note 1 and 200mm. on
note 20.

2.       Thanks much for the this tip.  You can bet that once I get the
board out, I will do just what you suggest.

3.       A new keyboard is not in this budget, and I will simply have to
have the piano strung before I start analyzing the action and making what
accommodations are necessary or possible within the budget.  I'll be using
the WNG parts (my first set).   I expect I'll be moving the capstans as I
will be using the WNG, and the original capstans are angled.  

4.       With this piano, I will definitely taper the bore within each
section, as the high point on the treble plane is 195 mm. at note 51 and the
low point is 188.5 mm. at note 88.  That being 6.5 mm. difference, it seems
to me that the over and undercentering  issues trump the hammer leverage one
you raised in terms of what we would actually feel and be able to regulate
with the least compromise.  It seems to me that if I had to choose a poison,
proper bore distance, albeit a longer one, would be the best choice to make.
By the way, I found some notes that I took in Bruce Clark's WNG class last
year in Nashua.  This is what I wrote, and I hope I have understood Bruce
correctly in his comment, "Pianos play better with a shorter hammer bore,
all else being equal, because the center of mass is better located with a
short bore than a longer one."  The operative phrase here is "all else being
equal".  OK, Ron, now you can chime in your charming and curmudgeonly
fashion Jand say, "Since when is ANYTHING equal in a Steinway!"

5.       This is my practice also.

 

Will

 

From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf
Of Jude Reveley/Absolute Piano
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 7:32 AM
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Increasing bridge height

 

Sorry David, but I think I lost what the issue is? :) Please
clarify...whether a change in bore/string ht affects the action leverage,
whether to increase bridge height as needed or whether to adjust the bore to
match string ht vagaries?

 

My answer: Yes to all.

 

Specifically, to address Will's case. 

 

1.	I would attempt to improve upon the plate tilt by both lowering the
bass and raising the treble to an average of about 191 to 192 throughout the
straight bridge. Will: What are the current bass string hts?
2.	I would also try to address a vertically challenged bridge. With the
s/b out, I lay the plate in place and run lines/straight edges from capo to
counterbearing to see what I have to work with. The belly rail makes for an
excellent reference without the s/b and bridge and allows a visualization of
the longitudinal string plane prior to any loaded bearing offsets.
3.	Then depending on the budget, I will use my best averaged string
height to design the action from the top down. This might be as minor a
modification as slight shifts in spread, rep/hmr center &/or stack location
or it might get more involved by changing the key proportion with a new
balancerail or even a new keyboard. 
4.	Whatever the case, I will "taper" my hammer bores. And yes, this in
turn does have a slight affect on the action leverage but THERE IS NO PIANO
OUT THERE THAT DOES NOT HAVE SLIGHT VARIATIONS IN LEVERAGE FROM NOTE TO
NOTE. BTW this is still true in actions that have matched SW/FW weight ratio
curves.
5.	This brings us back to a previous thread on aftertouch. It is my
practice to keep an even aftertouch and allow the final slight discrepencies
which I have tried so anal compulsively to distill to a minimum, to be
reflected in the key travel. This seems to be the preference of the concert
artists and concert techs that I've had a chance to learn from.

Jude Reveley, RPT
Absolute Piano Restoration, LLC
Lowell, Massachusetts
(978) 323-4545

----- Original Message ----- 

From: David Love <mailto:davidlovepianos at comcast.net>  

To: pianotech at ptg.org 

Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 11:36 PM

Subject: Re: [pianotech] Increasing bridge height

 

Problems with semantics aside, there seem to be advocates for both sides of
the issue.  They can't both be right.  Honestly, I don't know what the
answer is.  

 

In terms of practicality (a separate matter) I would not hesitate to raise
the string height fractionally for fear of a slight change in leverage (if
there is one).  Getting the bridge up to an acceptable height if it is
vertically challenged would, in my view, trump any changes that might be
introduced to the action.  I find the opportunity to vary the bore distance
in virtually every Steinway I rebuild even if I go to such pains to level
the plate, raise the treble side, make the bridge height more uniform,
manipulate the aliquot thicknesses, add vertical hitches, etc..  If the
string heights are fractionally off, I usually don't do anything but with
this B I'm currently working on I probably will account for the 3+mm rise in
string height from the low tenor to the treble.  It does pose a certain
dilemma though:  I could alter the bore distance and change the leverage, or
I could use a uniform bore distance and, because the string heights vary,
alter the regulation.  Which is better, I wonderJ?

 

David Love

www.davidlovepianos.com

 

 

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