[pianotech] (no subject)

David Ilvedson ilvey at sbcglobal.net
Tue May 12 13:22:27 MDT 2009


We rarely see a piano exactly X amount below or above pitch throughout the piano.   Often the tenor will be flat or sharp of pitch compared to the rest.   I use my ETD to assess the general pitch.   I'm not going to lower the bass to match a lower tenor, etc.   

David Ilvedson, RPT
Pacifica, CA  94044

----- Original message ----------------------------------------
From: "Jeff Deutschle" <oaronshoulder at gmail.com>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Received: 5/12/2009 10:46:47 AM
Subject: Re: [pianotech] (no subject)


>Jerry:

>And how do you know which side I am on???

>Seriously, I believe in floating pitch also. And sometimes on a piano
>that is a little off pitch, but pretty much in tune with itself, I
>will tune it just a little closer to being on pitch rather than upset
>the stability with a larger change of pitch. But then I have to wonder
>where the line is between floating and tune-it-where-it-is?

>On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Gerald Groot <tunerboy3 at comcast.net> 
>wrote:
>> Oh, I didn't side on your side Jeff.  I was just a smart remark is all. :-)
>> I am for tuning to A/440 in most cases.  While I believe that it is okay to
>> let it float occasionally, depending on where one is located and the time of
>> year, I did that today for example with a piano that was A/438.  Give it 3
>> or 4 weeks and it will come up to A/440 as our humidty increases here.  It
>> was 37 % RH there today.  It will surpass that pitch by 1/4 tone come mid
>> July to August here.
>>
>> Jer
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On 
>Behalf
>> Of Jeff Deutschle
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 7:50 AM
>> To: pianotech at ptg.org
>> Subject: Re: [pianotech] (no subject)
>>
>> Gerald:
>>
>> As I said: "This can be used as an argument for both tuning where it
>> is or for tuning to pitch." I am surprised that you side on the
>> tune-it-where-it-is argument. :-)))
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Gerald Groot <tunerboy3 at comcast.net> 
>wrote:
>>
>>> I guess we might as well just tune all pianos 1/2 to 1 full tone flat or
>>> sharp, or wherever they are then with that theory huh?  :-)))
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On
>> Behalf
>>> Of Conrad Hoffsommer
>>> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:47 AM
>>> To: pianotech at ptg.org
>>> Subject: Re: [pianotech] (no subject)
>>>
>>> On 5/11/09, Jeff Deutschle <oaronshoulder at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Well, many teachers don't get their pianos tuned regularly, either.
>>>>
>>>> Also, I believe, that when there is a major pitch raise, the bends in
>>>> the wire move to new places, cause false beats in the treble (at least
>>>> for a while) and also cause instability as the bends straighten and
>>>> new bends form. This can be used as an argument for both tuning where
>>>> it is or for tuning to pitch.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Musing...
>>> Wouldn't that be that the strings are going back to their original (at
>>> pitch) kinks, thus _eliminating_ false beats which may have been
>>> caused at the tuning pin/capo/v-bar end of the string? The major
>>> movement would be at that end and very little at the bridge end where
>>> there probably are false beats from other causes, anyway.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Jeff Deutschle
>>
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>Regards,
>Jeff Deutschle

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