Hey good to know I'm not the only one who had a piano try to escape . . In this, the only time, the piano started to roll away, and I followed, not wanting to have it crash down onto the floor . . Luckily, I was in a home and we waltzed accross the room till we met the sofa, thus cushioning the trip, and I learned a lesson. Also, the owner was somewhere else in the home, and thus I avoided a brused ego as well!! I always hang on to the piano for that last 10 degrees of tilt, to prevent other occurancezs . . I like the strap idea, though,and will try that . .through the posts. Have a fun, safe weekend to all . . Jim Kinnear the original www.pianoguy.com ( not Scott, the other guy who gives lessons by CD !!! . . next we'll be tuning over the phone !! ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith McGavern" <kam544 at allegiance.tv> To: <pianotech at ptg.org> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 4:07 PM Subject: [pianotech] upright tilter Dear Daniel and List, First, I applaud the recommendations of using of a strap, whether completely around the piano, or from the back posts. Safety is always paramount, to property, customer and self. Having said that, I, personally, do not use straps when tilting vertical pianos. Let me also admit, I, too, have lost a vertical piano, ONCE, when the rear wheels touched the floor. It was in a unversity environment, thank goodness for that. What I deduced from that experience is this: 1) The toes of the foldable type tilter that I use and was purchased from Tuners Supply Company, now defunct, in the late '70s' had to be extended from the original design. Also, you must determine if the toes reach the bottom board. This is imperative and can only be done by feeling underneath the piano when the piano tilter is put in place. 2) If the toes are marginally touching the bottom board, there is adequate reason to believe that if you attempt to tilt the piano in that circumstance, you are subject to potential disaster, both in property and personal injury. 3) What I did to circumvent this situation was to use slats, commonly used to support box spring mattresses, to take up the space that exists between the toes of the tilter and the bottom of the piano, thereby causing the entire tilter to be as close as possible to the piano before attempting the tilt. Having filled up that space with the slats eliminated the implementation of straps FOR ME. 4) Now, another extremely important consideration in returning the piano to its upright position is orientating the rear casters. This is vital to success is putting the piano back upright. Once I have done this, I simply hold the piano against the tilter for the remainder of putting it back upright. Mind you, I am not an extremely large person, nor very strong when I do this. It's all about applying the leverage in the most correct places. Once again, I reiterate. The strap idea is conceivably appears to be the safest approach, but without the safeguards I have mentioned, it is possible to still have undesirable consequences, both in property and personal injury. That space must be eliminated between the toes of the tilter as much as possible, and the contact with the bottom of the piano and the toes must be as secure as possible. Sincerely submitted, Keith McGavern
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