[pianotech] Brass Inlay Repair on S & S Former Concert Grand

Thomas Cole tcole at cruzio.com
Thu May 21 11:50:33 MDT 2009


Many thanks to all who replied to this thread. I will pass your 
expertise on to the piano owner. Special thanks to William for your 
detailed description.
Tom Cole

William Monroe wrote:
> Hi Thomas,
>
> I've done just this repair.  As others have suggested, it's a little 
> troubling.  In the end, my experience was, well......OK.  Two new 
> brass "decals" later (yes, then entire onlay must be purchased each 
> time, logo and lettering), the results were fine from the audience.  
> There are a number of problems with this mess.
>
> First:  If the brass lifting is very minor, you can try the tiniest 
> amount of thin CA.  Using a jewelers oiler is probably the best 
> option.  The finest supply house hypo really delivers more than you 
> need and the needle forces you to lift the brass more than is 
> desirable.  Sometimes this can work.  When it fails go to......
>
> Second:  You can try removing the old lyre onlay very carefully (maybe 
> heating as Jon suggested) and then fitting the new only in the old 
> lacquer shadow.  I tried this, gave up.  The details of the brass 
> onlay are so fine it is nearly impossible to get it to just "drop in" 
> to the old lacquer shadow.  And, if it doesn't just "drop-in" you'll 
> have to pull it back off to reposition - which means you'll bend the 
> brass out in the process.  If by some minor miracle this works for 
> you, proceed to "Fourth."  And, for those of us living in reality, 
> when that doesn't work either........
>
> Third:  What worked for me was removing the entire piece (use whatever 
> indexing method you like for replacing it).  I wouldn't worry about 
> chipping the edges of the lacquer, for your next step will be 
> to............wet sand the lyre area starting at 220 to take down the 
> buildup of clear that was around the original lyre onlay.  I sanded an 
> extended area, basically from the lettering up to the top of the 
> treble side, staying away from the edges which are usually either 
> already burned through from the factory, or soon to be by you.  
> Basically, you are trying to make it so the area around the new onlay 
> won't "pop" as a repair.  Once the buildup that was around the 
> original onlay was worked down "a bit," I sanded up to p400.  Then 
> apply the new lyre onlay.
>
> Fourth:  Once you have the new onlay installed, give the treble side a 
> couple or three "mist coats" of lacquer (you can get it in a rattle 
> can, either from S&S or from Walter Wurdack company.  Then I did a 
> clear doty type of touch up around the lyre to fill in any major 
> unevenness in the finish.  A medium coat of clear, come back tomorrow 
> and sand level, fill in any remaining holes/divots doty style, another 
> medium coat.  Come back tomorrow, heavy coat, next day, level and 
> heavy coat..............ad infinitum, ad nauseum.  You must also take 
> care to feather in the new lacquer with the old finish, I usually aim 
> to taper the spray off at the middle of the outside treble case curve, 
> and the entire treble case side ends up getting sprayed before it's done.
>
> This is a challenging repair.  Best in the shop.  It shouldn't be done 
> in someones home - too much spraying, too much wet sanding, too much 
> chance of having the finish mucked up with daily traffic, too many 
> trips to make the repair (DAMHIK).  You are spraying lacquer - the 
> entire piano needs to be covered - I taped the cover cloth to the top 
> of the treble side rim and then up and over the piano to prevent any 
> lacquer from getting into the belly area. 
>
> When you are wet sanding to prep the area for the new onlay, DO NOT 
> use any lubricant other than water.  It can cause you all manner of 
> trouble getting the new onlay to adhere.  Again, DAMHIK.
>
> For the final sand, it's to p400 for me, with water/wool lube and then 
> to 0000 wool with water/wool lube, then polish.
>
> It really is quite a time consuming repair. 
>
> William R. Monroe
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Jon Page <jonpage at comcast.net 
> <mailto:jonpage at comcast.net>> wrote:
>
>     The thin brass is not an inlay, it's an onlay or applique. As Paul
>     stated,
>     the finish is built up around it. Even if you can purchase the
>     solitary "S"
>     without having to but the whole applique, you will also be extremely
>     lucky to remove the old letter without chipping the margins.
>
>     Maybe applying heat with an iron (surface protected with a cloth)
>     to the "S" will soften the glue and margins enough to limit damage.
>
>     The whole area will then need to be sanded through the clear
>     protective coat to make the color and patina make on the brass
>     and a clear coat put over it all.
>
>     If they want it all looking the same, remove all the other letters
>     and leave the black silhouette.
>     -- 
>
>     Regards,
>
>     Jon Page
>
>
>


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