To me, the picture just seems to offer visual evidence of why we should not take the bass leg off and set the piano on the lyre in the first place, when there are other and better ways to do it. Like making a couple of blocks so that the skid board will be setting just about the top of the dolly, and setting the bass side down on it after you have first removed the lyre and then the bass leg. Much easier and safer to set the piano on the dolly that way, as you have only to tilt down one end of the skid board to be able to remove the first block, then lever up the other end to remove the second block. Or even make a temporary support leg that sits a little tall so that you can safely and easily take the lyre and bass leg off before setting the piano on its side. I dont think anyone has mentioned it, but I have concerns about the keybed. Ive regulated more grands of all vintages than I could count. And while leveling keys, you of course check the bedding of the keybed. So often we see keybeds that are bowed up on the middle. I dont think keybeds were designed to carry the weight of the piano, particularly on lighter and less expensive grands. Think about it: the ends of the keybed are very well supported by the rim, which in effect serves as a beam there making that area quite strong. There is no such support in the middle of the keybed where the piano is being set down on the lyre. Lets think about a 1200 lb concert grand for a moment. How much weight is being carried by the keybed if one sets the piano on the lyre after removing the bass leg? And considerably more as we are tipping the piano on its side? 6, 7, 800 lbs.? Im no physicist, but it just seems like an awful lot of stress for the keybed to carry, never mind the poor stinkin lyre. I have never allowed any of my movers to set the piano on the lyre in all the years I have had pianos moved. They manage just fine without it. Its not a bad lyre, its a bad idea and bad technique to move pianos this way. Thats my story, and Im sticking to it J. Will Truitt From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Greg Newell Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:02 AM To: pianotech at ptg.org Subject: Re: [pianotech] Lyre Damage Yeah but you still roll the corner of the bottom corner of the lyre. I know, I know. You personally never do. Greg Newell Greg's Piano Forté www.gregspianoforte.com 216-226-3791 (office) 216-470-8634 (mobile) http://www.wealthyaffiliate.com?a_aid=NNaYfMKd From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Anderson Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 8:02 PM To: pianotech at ptg.org Subject: Re: [pianotech] Lyre Damage On Nov 23, 2009, at 9:01 PM, David Stocker wrote: Picture, please? Dave Stocker, RPT Tumwater, WA From: Andrew <mailto:anrebe at gmail.com> Anderson Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 18:36 To: pianotech at ptg.org Subject: Re: [pianotech] Lyre Damage I always use a lyre brace since a brand new chinese one broke its lyre when I was tipping. No problems since. You can by one from QRS or you can make your own. length of steel electrical conduit length of all-thread that just fits inside a matching nut and washer a length of 2x2 self adhesive felt lamp bottom covers some type of flexible adhesive like PL400 cut the 2x2 into two reasonable lengths and drill one corner to accept conduit/all-thread and adhesive apply the self adhesive felt to the business sides of the 2x2s and you have an adjustable brace. Andrew Anderson On Nov 23, 2009, at 5:42 PM, JWyatt1492 at aol.com wrote: Hello Garrett, I never tip a Oriental Grand Piano on the Lyre. I tip all American Pianos except one, that being the H.C.Bay. Weak wood is always weak wood. I have repaired too many pedal Lyres. Regards Jack Wyatt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech.php/attachments/20091125/a82c2c77/attachment-0001.htm> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 27116 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech.php/attachments/20091125/a82c2c77/attachment-0002.jpeg> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 33683 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech.php/attachments/20091125/a82c2c77/attachment-0003.jpeg>
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