I have never done this repair. We on the List are VERY LUCKY now as we are well apprised of what is in front of us with all the posts about this procedure. WHICH IS VERY GOOD. Otherwise, think of all the time to figure it out...call Young Chang...blah, blah, blah. It is very important to be totally up front with the customer. You do NOT want to be doing this for little or nothing. LESSON #1: DON'T MAKE IT YOUR PROBLEM. I would tell the customer YC will cover the $200 plus the parts (I think that's right). That will not cover the repair by a long shot. I have no idea exactly how much time it will take. #1: I will have to be on the phone to YC to get authorization and all that entails. Figure 1 hour of office time and bringing the parts to the piano minimum. #2: Just removing the action (not easy) and replacing the brackets will take at a couple of hours. At that point we can see what is front of us. It is all by the hour. I will do it here in front of you in the comfort of your house as quickly as I can. #3: You will have to pay me for my my time doing this repair until when we decide were done. What does that mean? At some point the piano will play pretty well and you will be tired of spending money. #4: YC will re-imburse you for the $200. Now, I am busy and really not looking for this kind of work. But I would not take it on unless the client understands and agrees to everything above. David Ilvedson, RPT Pacifica, CA 94044 ----- Original message ---------------------------------------- From: "paul bruesch" <paul at bruesch.net> To: pianotech at ptg.org Received: 4/22/2010 9:15:45 PM Subject: Re: [pianotech] YC brackets >Do you mean to say that you would you regulate it for free? 8>P >It can certainly be made to "play" without a "full regulation", and frankly, >judging by a lot of the owners of the pianos I tune, "made to play" is quite >sufficient. Certainly I'd prefer to provide a full (price) regulation, and >that is certainly what I would try to sell. These pianos are 16-20 years >old, and probably haven't gotten anything since new delivery, except of >course the de-regulation in attempts to make it play because of tech(s) >didn't know about the bracket problem. >Paul Bruesch >Stillwater, MN >On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Matthew Todd ><toddpianoworks at att.net>wrote: >> Do you mean to say that you would walk away from this job if the customer >> agrees to anything less than a full regulation? >> >> >> ***TODD PIANO WORKS* >> Matthew Todd, Piano Technician >> (979) 248-9578 >> http://www.toddpianoworks.com >> >> >> --- On *Fri, 4/23/10, paul bruesch <paul at bruesch.net>* wrote: >> >> >> From: paul bruesch <paul at bruesch.net> >> >> Subject: Re: [pianotech] YC brackets >> To: pianotech at ptg.org >> Date: Friday, April 23, 2010, 3:03 AM >> >> >> By not mentioning the $200 to the customer? It really doesn't cover any >> more than the following: >> >> - The visit to ascertain that the brackets are defective >> - The time spent ordering them >> - Run the the hardware store for the new screws >> - The trip back to the client and the time installing them >> - Installing may include raising bedding screws and/or breaking the old >> brackets to get the action out in the first place. If you raise the bedding >> screws, you need to re-bed the keyframe, which of course is part of a >> regulation, anyhow. >> >> If they want the piano to play, it has to be completely regulated, and it's >> not a DIY job! >> >> Paul Bruesch >> Stillwater, MN >> >> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Matthew Todd ><toddpianoworks at att.net<http://us.mc838.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=toddp >ianoworks at att.net> >> > wrote: >> >>> Hi Dean, >>> >>> How in the heck do you get a customer to pay for a complete regulation in >>> this situation? Young Chang pays you $200, but that is pocket change >>> compared to a complete regulation/repairs, etc. >>> >>> ***TODD PIANO WORKS* >>> Matthew Todd, Piano Technician >>> (979) 248-9578 >>> http://www.toddpianoworks.com >>> >>> >>> --- On *Fri, 4/23/10, Dean May ><deanmay at pianorebuilders.com<http://us.mc838.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to >=deanmay at pianorebuilders.com> >>> >* wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Dean May ><deanmay at pianorebuilders.com<http://us.mc838.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to >=deanmay at pianorebuilders.com> >>> > >>> Subject: Re: [pianotech] YC brackets >>> To: >pianotech at ptg.org<http://us.mc838.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pianotech@p >tg.org> >>> Date: Friday, April 23, 2010, 12:32 AM >>> >>> Contact person at Young Chang: John Chang, and can be reached at >>> 866-798-6979, ext. 144 >Jchang at ycapiano.com<http://us.mc838.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Jchang@ >ycapiano.com> >>> >>> >>> >>> All action brackets are dimensionally the same except for the foot length >> of the middle brackets. The outside brackets are all the same. So measure >> your middle brackets and count how many you need (some are 2, some are 3). >> >> >> >> End bracket: a little over 8 inches (205 mm) >> >> Long middle bracket: 6 5/8 inches (170 mm) >> >> Short middle bracket: 5 3/4 inches (140 mm) >> >> >> >> Count on doing a completely complete regulation. >> >> >> >> Young Chang North America >> >> 19060 S Dominguez Hills Dr >> >> Rancho Dominguez CA 90220 >> >> 866-798-6979 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Dean*** >> Dean W May (812) 235-5272 >> PianoRebuilders.com (888) DEAN-MAY >> Terre Haute IN 47802 >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* >pianotech-bounces at ptg.org<http://us.mc838.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pia >notech-bounces at ptg.org>[mailto: >> >pianotech-bounces at ptg.org<http://us.mc838.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pia >notech-bounces at ptg.org>] >> *On Behalf Of >*pmc033 at earthlink.net<http://us.mc838.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pmc033 >@earthlink.net> >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 22, 2010 10:06 AM >> *To:* >pianotech at ptg.org<http://us.mc838.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pianotech@p >tg.org> >> *Subject:* Re: [pianotech] YC brackets >> >> >> >> Hi, Les: >> >> I've done a bunch of these. Be careful getting the action out, since >> the hammers may be up too high to clear the pinblock. If the drop screws >> bury into the pinblock, you may have to break/cut the brackets. Usually the >> glide bolts are set to raise the frame quite a bit, so you may be able to >> raise the bolts if necessary to release the action. The replacement >> procedure is pretty easy, but you'll have to set the spread using calipers >> or whatever. The newer model YC's spread is 113.5mm, but I can't recall >> which serial #'s those are. You can call the service dept. and ask for >> their advice. Check your resource guide for their number, as I don't have >> it handy. You should be able to get the brackets for free, and they will >> offer some compensation, but it's not much. You'll have to charge the >> customer for re-regulating the piano, especially if you had to move the >> glide bolts to get the action out. You'll need some longer screws to mount >> the stack, since the new bracket feet will be taller than the old ones. >> Just plug and redrill. Often, a previous technician has adjusted the letoff >> buttons to compensate for blocking hammers. Most likely you'll be screwing >> all the letoff dowels back up quite a ways to get the action to work again. >> It's not hard. If you can regulate an action, it's a piece of cake. >> >> Good luck and have fun. >> >> Paul McCloud >> >> San Diego >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> *From:* Leslie >Bartlett<http://us.mc838.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=l-bartlett@sbcglobal.net >> >> >> *To: >*pianotech at ptg.org<http://us.mc838.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pianotech@ >ptg.org> >> >> *Sent:* 04/22/2010 6:09:50 AM >> >> *Subject:* [pianotech] YC brackets >> >> >> >> I would appreciate hearing from someone with a good bit of experience with >> YC bracket replacement. I did ONE several years ago, with only modest >> success. It s been a very long time since I have seen this piano, and am >> not even sure the action will come out. I m in need of sage advice. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Les Bartlett >> >> >> >> >>
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