All the movers say that...I think the Horse is the way to go, but that is an extra piece of equipment. David Ilvedson, RPT Pacifica, CA 94044 ----- Original message ---------------------------------------- From: RWyatt8547 at aol.com To: pianotech at ptg.org Received: 2/24/2010 5:12:20 AM Subject: Re: [pianotech] The much maligned Use of Lyre >I did not use the lyre to turn a grand down for years, until a friend of >mine told me about a mover that had been moving pianos for 30 years said >that if he broke one he would come and fix it. Since then I have turned >hundreds of pianos on the lyre and have not found a problem if you have the >board on a dolly or boxes. some of these pianos we have serviced for over 20 >years. so I am telling you that old dogs can learn better or easier >tricks. > > > Rick Wyatt > > Dallas Chapter > >In a message dated 2/23/2010 9:02:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, >deanmay at pianorebuilders.com writes: > >>>I for one, never use the lyre as a fulcrum... Bad for the knees but >better for the piano. >Do you have test results to back up this claim or is it just intuitive >analysis? I've seen factories use the lyre; I've seen keyboard Carriage use >the lyre; I, myself, have used the lyre many, many times with no problems, >especially using the brace below (tip of the hat to John Dewey). >A modern, well constructed lyre and keybed are very strong components. The >brace below makes the combination bullet-proof. Using a lyre is easier on >the back leg and definitely easier on the mover. Personally I value my back >and knees more than any piano that I move. >If youâre not comfortable using the lyre thatâs fine, I have no problem >with that. There are indeed some rickety lyres that I am not comfortable >using. If you want to state it is your personal preference to not use the >lyre, Iâm good with that. But to categorically state it is bad for the piano, >do you have some research to back up that claim? Because many reputable >movers and factories do use the lyre. >Dean >Dean W May (812) 235-5272 >PianoRebuilders.com (888) DEAN-MAY >Terre Haute IN 47802 > > >____________________________________ > >From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On >Behalf Of Greg Newell >Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 9:38 PM >To: pianotech at ptg.org >Subject: Re: [pianotech] The much maligned Piano Mover >Ed, >I agree completely. Being a technician certainly makes my efforts a little >different than other movers who are not. My point , however poorly made, >was to get folks to think that not all movers cause damage. Some actually >care about what they do. I for one, never use the lyre as a fulcrum. Even >before I purchase the piano horse from Jansen I would ease the corner down to >the skid by hand after first removing the lyre. Bad for the knees but better >for the piano. >Greg Newell >Greg's Piano Forté >www.gregspianoforte.com >216-226-3791 (office) >216-470-8634 (mobile) >_http://www.wealthyaffiliate.com?a_aid=NNaYfMKd_ >(http://www.wealthyaffiliate.com/?a_aid=NNaYfMKd) > >From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On >Behalf Of Ed Foote >Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 9:04 PM >To: pianotech at ptg.org >Subject: Re: [pianotech] The much maligned Piano Mover > >Greg writes, (inre piano movers being cast in a bad light): > > Often, however, we are blamed for quite a few things > > > > > >that canât possibly be our fault. In the case of pedal lyres I believe that > > > > > >if the lyre was made well enough with solid material (not âselectâ > > > > > >hardwoods) and on the other side, not rocked down to the floor using the > > > > > >lyre as a fulcrum, these problems would not exist. > >Agreed. Yet.... If I were asked what were the most common problems caused >by movers, the lyre would be right at the top of the list, (aside from the >occasional exploding grand diving off the lift). I have seen more "mover >damage" around the lyre than all the rest combined. Usually just the >leathers torn off, but I have seen pedal rods sculpted into flower arrangements, >screws totally stripped, etc. long list. >It is always ignorance on their part. As a technician that can rebuild >that lyre, you know how it is installed. Amazingly, many movers continue to >move and never learn. >Regards, > > >Ed Foote RPT >http://www.uk-piano.org/edfoote/index.html >
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