[pianotech] Action Ratios Recap

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Thu Jan 14 20:45:23 MST 2010


Definition---de regueur--required by current fashion or custom. New one to me
  Dale






-----Original Message-----
From: David Love <davidlovepianos at comcast.net>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:33 pm
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Action Ratios Recap


My practical question may have been unclear to you but when I put this
uestion (If you are constructing an action and want one that regulates with
0 mm total dip and 46 mm blow where should you target the action ratio?) to
he individual who manufactures replacement keysets for me he was able to
ive me a fairly precise answer with some slight variations depending on the
articular action model.
  Your description of after touch below is, of
ourse, de rigueur.  
David Love
ww.davidlovepianos.com

----Original Message-----
rom: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf
f John Delacour
ent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 6:13 PM
o: pianotech at ptg.org
ubject: Re: [pianotech] Action Ratios Recap
At 16:08 -0800 14/1/10, Jason Kanter wrote:
>John, the same day of your detailed and interesting message, David 
Love asked you:

OK.  So then from a practical standpoint, when converting action ratios as
calculated by a product of levers to the relationship between dip and the
requisite hammer rise to achieve a targeted blow distance with adequate
aftertouch, what would you use?
Well the reason I didn't answer this is because it made little sense 
o me no matter which way I turned it.  There is one way and one way 
nly to perform these calculations accurately and that is to use 
rigonometry.  What a "product of levers" means is not clear, but 
here is no way (and no point) to convert something based on a 
alsehood into a correct result.
As to the after-touch, the key must go down far enough after 
scapement commences to allow the roller (knuckle) to clear the face 
f the jack as the hammer falls into check, as is common knowledge. 
t that point the back of the jack is touching but not compressing 
he cushion.  Any further after-touch is unnecessary and detrimental. 
he tail of the jack rolls and slides on the set-off button -- as 
ith the roller/jack contact there is inavoidable friction, but the 
xact distance the key must travel to accomplish this optimal 
scapement can be accurately calculated trigonometrically just like 
ll the other relationships.

and I asked you:

John, could you please add a definition of PROFILE?
Though the answer was included in the message that asked the 
uestion, I have made it clear in a separate message.
JD

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