[pianotech] Running a Business as a business.

Gerald Groot tunerboy3 at comcast.net
Thu Jan 21 11:33:25 MST 2010


Yeah.  The grain is horizontal.  Like Story & Clarks were. Not spruce for
sure. 

-----Original Message----- 
From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf
Of James Grebe 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:36 PM 
To: pianotech at ptg.org 
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Running a Business as a business. 

Are you SURE it had a laminated board?  As far as I know they did not use 
any at least up to 1969. 
James 
James Grebe Est. 1962 
Piano Tuner-Technician 
Creator of Custom Caster Cups 
Creator of fine Writing Instruments 
www.grebepiano.com 
1526 Raspberry Lane 
Arnold, MO 63010 
(314) 608-4137 
Become what you believe 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerald Groot" <tunerboy3 at comcast.net> 
To: <pianotech at ptg.org> 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:46 AM 
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Running a Business as a business. 


> 31.  Took you guys took long.  Spend time with your customers.  Don't just

> tune the piano and walk out.  I spent 3 hours in one home yesterday.  This

> person had acquired a used Cable Nelson console a few months ago.  The 
> piano 
> was built by the Everett Piano Factory with a laminated sounding board in 
> South Haven built about 1972.  A pretty decent piano actually.  She was 
> FILLED with questions and retained my answers quite well.  I spent 2 hours

> of my time, for free, explaining the wee split in the pin block, how and 
> what causes it, why the piano was 1/2- 1 full tone flat, why the piano 
> needs 
> work, why it doesn't repeat when her 8 year plays.  He isn't allowing the 
> keys to come all the way back up again before he tries to repeat the song 
> so 
> the jack is still forward. 
> 
> 
> 
> I gave her options to either tune and do some action work, retuning it in 
> a 
> few months due to the major pitch raise or, trade it in on a new piano 
> which 
> she could afford.  She/we decided to have me do a pitch raise and see what

> happened and how it would sound so, did that.  I checked the RH and temp 
> which was 68 degree's 42 %.  Perfect.  The piano is in the basement.  When

> I 
> was finished raising pitch, the split hadn't worsened, the overall sound 
> of 
> the piano improved considerably, more so than what I thought it might and 
> we 
> scheduled an appointment in June to re-tune the piano and do some other 
> work 
> on it such as carding, regulation, leveling the keys etc. 
> 
> 
> 
> All in all, while I spent a lot of my time for nothing (it was my last 
> appointment of the day yesterday) I acquired a customer for life.  She was

> impressed that I had an answer for every single question, didn't fumble 
> around for the answers that she was able to ask and believe me, she had 
> more 
> questions than most people do.  She was most impressed that I gave her 
> options.  She said YOU ARE THE MAN!  I like your straight forwardness and 
> honesty.  Put me on your call back schedule for life. 
> 
> 
> 
> You see, it pays to go the extra mile once in a while. 
> 
> 
> 
> 32.  For newbie's:  The first question you should answer when you are 
> thinking of going into business is "Am I the type?" You will be your most 
> important employee. It is more important that you rate yourself 
> objectively 
> than how you rate any prospective employee.  Appraise your strengths and 
> your weaknesses.  As a prospective operator of your own business, 
> acknowledge that you are weak in certain areas and cover the deficiency by

> either retraining yourself or hiring someone with the necessary skill. 
> 
> 
> 
> 33 anyone? 
> 
> 
> 
> From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On 
> Behalf 
> Of Gerald Groot 
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:09 PM 
> To: pianotech at ptg.org 
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Running a Business as a business. 
> 
> 
> 
> 25.  Plan in advance.  By that I refer to my other email regarding action 
> work.  As I said in that email, I begin planning action jobs for the next 
> summer beginning in the fall already.  I leave and send a lot of estimates

> but I also follow up on many of them (not all) depending on the client and

> the piano.  As should be expected, my most important clients such as my 
> college get their action jobs set up first.  My churches, schools and 
> other 
> organizations 2nd, homes 3rd.  Crappy pianos, last.  That is, if I choose 
> to 
> work on them at all or have any time left to do so.  Which leads me into 
> 23. 
> You see, I go from the most reliable and dependable to the least. 
> 
> 
> 
> 26.  Sub contract what you cannot or do not want to do.  It will get done 
> that way one way or the other.  There is always someone out there slower 
> than you might be and will appreciate the work that you give them 
> regardless 
> of what it might be.  This will help the new people that are struggling to

> make ends meet.  You will be liked and respected by them for it.  But, 
> only 
> recommend those that are honest, reliable and good.  Follow up after them 
> if 
> necessary. 
> 
> 
> 
> 27.  Always remember that whoever it might be that you recommended, your 
> reputation is still on the line. 
> 
> 
> 
> 28.  I know I said this before but I believe it is important and it really

> does work.  Make the first contact to your customers.  Don't wait for them

> to call you.  You will have a lot less last minute or emergency calls 
> cramming your holiday season this way and can plan much more according to 
> everyone's needs including yours.  If you want to stay busy and keep the 
> client, you will bite the bullet and call them.  Rather than say as I have

> so often heard before, "I am as busy as I want to be or, I have all of the

> work I can handle" - which to me, is a cop out for not really having 
> enough 
> work in many instances, pick up the phone or hire someone to do it for 
> you. 
> You will be surprised at how many people thank you for calling them and 
> you 
> will stay a lot more busy and will book much further ahead. 
> 
> 
> 
> How far ahead to you want to be booked?  For me, the further, the more 
> peace 
> of mind I have. 
> 
> 
> 
> 29.  Advertise.  Online and elsewhere.  The biggest companies advertise. 
> 
> 
> 
> 30.  Have you ever taken a walk and seen a piano in a home?  Write down 
> the 
> address and send them your business card.  They will notice that you live 
> in 
> their area and might just call you.  Or, knock on the door and introduce 
> yourself.  That works too. 
> 
> 
> 
> 31? 
> 
> 
> 
> From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On 
> Behalf 
> Of Michael Magness 
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 5:46 PM 
> To: pianotech at ptg.org 
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Running a Business as a business. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Gerald Groot <tunerboy3 at comcast.net> 
> wrote: 
> 
> 12.  Treat your customers as you would have them treat you - with kindness

> and respect. 
> 
> 13.  Take time to explain why a piano changes tuning. You've done it a 
> million times before.  Make it a millon and one. 
> 
> 14.  Take time to answer any and all questions they might have and some 
> have 
> a lot of them.  You will gain more respect from them. 
> 
> 15.  If they want to watch you tune, by all means, allow it. 
> 
> 16.  Cut vacuum cleaner chords in half with a knife for silence. Just 
> kidding, checking to see if you're actually reading this or not. 
> 
> 17.  Don't be afraid to ask questions of other technicians.  Especially if

> you're not sure what to do about the problem or if it is out of your 
> league 
> of expertise.  Don't just guess and screw it up. 
> 
> 18.  Don't be afraid to get a 2nd opinion on something.  Doctor's do it 
> all 
> the time. 
> 
> 19.  Customers are your lifeline.  Treat them as such.  Retaining them is 
> the most important and most difficult part of getting repeat business. 
> One 
> unhappy customer will spread that unhappiness like a wild fire. 
> 
> 20.  Dress properly.  Casual is fine but, no holes in your clothing and 
> bathe. 
> 
> 21.  ? 
> 
> 
> 
> From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On 
> Behalf 
> Of erwinspiano at aol.com 
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 8:45 PM 
> To: pianotech at ptg.org 
> 
> 
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Running a Business as a business. 
> 
> 
> 
>    Jer...David 
> 
>   All good stuff 
> 
> 
> 
>    I'll add afew 
> 
> 
> 
>   6.  Be the guy/gal that can fix,voice,or rewhatever anything with 
> excellence in your geographic  area 
> 
> 
> 
>   7.  Become an Rpt and learn to network with others for continuing 
> education 
> 
> 
> 
>   8.  Have an informative Web site. A must these days 
> 
> 
> 
>   9.   Always tell the truth even if you lose. Always in fahionable and in

> season 
> 
> 
> 
>   10.  Learn to delegate. Yes, its hard at first 
> 
> 
> 
>   11.  Be Generous, however you define it. 
> 
> 
> 
> regards 
> 
> Dale Erwin 
> 
> WWW.Erwinspiano.com <http://www.erwinspiano.com/> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Gerald Groot <tunerboy3 at comcast.net> 
> To: pianotech at ptg.org 
> Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 8:35 am 
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Running a Business as a business. 
> 
> There you go again, changing the point being made.  " But if one wants to 
> do 
> a favor and help someone out with a pencil, why not?"   So, do it then.  I

> don't care. 
> 
> "Let's not blow it out of proportion as the reason their business isn't 
> successful."   Did I really say or mean that their business would fail due

> to that one trivial matter, the pencil? 
> 
> Ok, let's change the topic then as I did in the subject line. 
> 
> 1. Become highly skilled in whatever area of this business you choose to 
> be 
> in. 
> 2. Learn how to run and operate a businesses.  One will be more successful

> long term. 
> 3. Have clear are precise written rules for yourself and your customers to

> charge more fairly and honestly. 
> 4. Have clear and precise written prices so neither yourself nor your 
> customer gets screwed. 
> 5. Do a lot of reading and learn how to interact with clients properly. 
> This doesn't just entail reading about pianos and repairs. 
> 
> It's easy so far, care to add to it? 
> 
> 
> 
> Jer 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org 
> <mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org?> ] On Behalf 
> Of David Love 
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 11:19 AM 
> 
> 
> To: pianotech at ptg.org 
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] age-old question of what to charge for almost 
> nothing and running a business as a business 
> 
> 
> 
> Nobody would argue with your first point.  The nuances and individual 
> situations that determine just how that's done are what we are talking 
> about.  The example you give of the $28000 a year person has less to do 
> with 
> 
> the discussion than it does with general competence.  We haven't even 
> mentioned the importance of being skilled.  The person who is meticulous 
> in 
> their business practices, never misses an opportunity to charge for every 
> service and mile driven, still won't have any business if the service they

> provide stinks.  Similarly if one (notice I'm avoiding saying "you" to 
> avoid 
> 
> any misunderstanding) is rude to people then they are not likely to get 
> very 
> 
> far no matter how skilled and meticulous they are in their business 
> practices.  The example of what owners allow their employees to do is not 
> relevant since we are the owners and owners do choose at times to bend the

> rules.  They just don't want their employees to do that.  Neither would I.

> 
> In summary, of course one shouldn't be afraid to charge for their time, 
> expense and expertise.  At the same time one should be flexible enough to 
> assess each situation on its own merits and make a decision without 
> fearing 
> the consequences of a single act.  Price structures are helpful (I have 
> them 
> 
> outlined and itemized for rebuilding and servicing as well as a set hourly

> rate which is published).  That can take the guess work out of making 
> estimates which can be tricky for the inexperienced and create situations 
> of 
> 
> price commitments that are unrealistic and may establish a history that 
> one 
> may not wish to be held to.  But if one wants to do a favor and help 
> someone 
> 
> out with a pencil, why not?  Let's not blow it out of proportion as the 
> reason their business isn't successful. 
> 
> 
> 
> David Love 
> www.davidlovepianos.com <http://www.davidlovepianos.com/> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ...snipped 
> 
> The only thing that I AM VERY HARD LINED ON is that more piano technicians

> need to run this business like a business or learn how.  Yet, many do not 
> run it as such.  These same people do not know how to run it as a business

> or in my opinion, do not take it very seriously that it is a business. 
> They 
> 
> need to stick to the principal of charging when appropriate, which is, 
> most 
> of the time.  They should not be afraid to charge and especially, should 
> not 
> 
> apologize for doing so. As another poster mentioned, the owners of other 
> businesses will not allow their employee's to show up for free or to 
> charge 
> less for obvious reasons. 
> 
> 
> Here is a prime example of what I mean.  I have someone in town here that 
> is 
> 
> constantly complaining about not being able to make a living.  This person

> runs their business more as a charity, treats their customers rudely, 
> gives 
> discounts to everyone and is making less than $28,000 a year tuning full 
> time.  His work load is now half of what it was last year and he wonders 
> why?  Yet, I find out from this person that their prices have dropped or 
> have been the same for 7 or 8 years running, he doesn't even charge for a 
> service call, doesn't charge extra for driving 150 miles round trip, 
> charges 
> 
> only for his time, he's doing services for free in an attempt gain more 
> work 
> 
> which is not working, he's gaining more free clientele instead yet, he 
> still 
> 
> doesn't get it and will not listen to reason. 
> 
> 
> 
> Jer 
> 
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> 21. Never lose your sense of humor! 
> 
> 22. If you don't know the answer to a question, say so! Then tell them 
> you'll find the answer and do so, ASAP! 
> 
> 23. Always be willing to answer another technician's questions. 
> 
> 24. Keep an open mind 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> I intend to live forever. So far, so good. 
> Steven Wright 
> 
> 
> Michael Magness 
> Magness Piano Service 
> 608-786-4404 
> www.IFixPianos.com 
> email mike at ifixpianos.com 
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