David and Floyd- These are good criticisms, and I've forwarded them to Phil with some suggestions. Decades ago I learned that when you're hard at work back stage to put on the show, you can be very surprised to learn what the audience sees! Thank you! Ed Sutton -----Original Message----- >From: ed440 at mindspring.com >Sent: Dec 15, 2011 7:17 AM >To: pianotech at ptg.org >Subject: Re: [pianotech] old list/new site > >David and Floyd- > >These are good criticisms, and I've forwarded them to Phil with some >suggestions. > >Decades ago I learned that when you're hard at work back stage to put >on the show, you can be very surprised to learn what the audience sees! > >Thank you! > >Ed Sutton > >-----Original Message----- >>From: David Love <davidlovepianos at comcast.net> >>Sent: Dec 14, 2011 10:47 PM >>To: pianotech at ptg.org >>Subject: Re: [pianotech] old list/new site >> >>Last September I went to Italy to lecture at the AIARP convention. I've >>written a synopsis about it which may appear in a future journal to be >>decided. I wanted to comment that when I was there I was surprised to hear >>about how many Italian technicians read the list as a source of information >>which is otherwise not readily available to them for various reasons which I >>won't go into now. I think of people like John Delacour, with whom I've >>sometimes disagreed, but who in the past has added an interesting line of >>discussion and knowledge on various topics. Or people like Ron Overs, Andre >>Oorebeek and others who will have a much more difficult time both reading >>and participating in the list should it switch exclusively to the new format >>and others of whom we will likely never know. I'm disappointed by that and >>I think there is some shortsightedness in terms of the overall impact of the >>list serve and the format which provides ease of accessibility to a >>worldwide audience. While certainly not the only source of information and >>knowledge it does, in my view, function to move the trade forward in its own >>way. >> >> >> >>Recently I finished reading the biography of Steve Jobs and one couldn't >>help but be impressed with his consistency and single minded vision to >>friendly user interface and ease of accessibility. I don't have to think >>too hard about what he would say about the new format and, honestly, I would >>have to concur. If it takes more than two clicks it's.well I don't need to >>substitute his colorful language here but I think you get the point. >> >> >> >>David Love >> >>www.davidlovepianos.com >> >> >> >>From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf >>Of Floyd Gadd >>Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 7:32 PM >>To: pianotech at ptg.org >>Subject: Re: [pianotech] old list/new site >> >> >> >>Thanks Ed, >> >> >> >>I am a PTG member, I do read both lists, but the new one less often, >>primarily because I find the degree of latency in navigating through the new >>site frustrating. I've always assumed that participation was open to >>non-PTG members, until I decided to see what would happen if I approached >>the site as if I were not a member. I ended up at the "Join the PTG >>community" page, it was not completely clear to me, from the content of the >>page, that this was not the beginning of an application process for >>associate membership. Thus my question below. >> >> >> >>Floyd >> >> >> >>Quote: >> >>Dear Floyd, Non-members may participate in the new Web Site, as was >>mentioned on this list very recently. Check the archives for instructions. >>You will find many excellent piano technicians participating in the new >>communications technology. Phil Bondi has just posted a very candid report >>about his experiences at the HL users conference, worth reading if you want >>to learn about where the site development is going. When I first read the >>pianotech list, I had to go to the library and have the librarian log me on. >>I did not know how to use email. I learned, and am now learning to use the >>new media site. I find it faster to read than this list. I recommend >>learning. Please sign on. Best, Ed Sutton -----Original Message----- >From: >>Floyd Gadd >Sent: Dec 14, 2011 2:04 AM >To: pianotech at ptg.org >Subject: >>Re: [pianotech] old list > >I too prefer the old list. I read it via the >>archives, and it is much faster to access. I agree that is it is less >>fragmented. Can non-PTG members participate in the new list, or only read >>it? I appreciate the breadth of the user base on this list. >Floyd Gadd >>>Manitoba Chapter >> >> >> >
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