Consider that the main issue in stability is tension equilibrium in the various string segments (more than leaving excess flex in the pin). Over shooting means that you have necessarily increased the tension in the first segment (nearest the tuning pin) more than the other segments and stability is only achieved when you have released the excess tension from that segment back to the remaining segments and they land where you want them. Not only does that increase the possibility that with any rendering issues the first segment will be slow to give up its excess tension but it gives you an automatic correction that must be made. If you could simply increase the tension in the first segment only the requisite amount necessary to bring the speaking length up to pitch, then you only need to wait for the pitch to rise to where you want it and stop, not rise past where you want it settling it back down to where you hope it will stop and stay. It's more efficient. You do that with counter pressure on the pin. It is interesting to note that in the RPT exam re stability, according to my local CTE, 95% of the loss of stability is to the flat side. That suggests that the tendency to leave excess tension in that first segment is the prevailing one when things go wrong. It would be better not to get it there in the first place. Overshooting also, in my opinion, increases the likelihood of string breakage, especially on pianos that render poorly. David Love www.davidlovepianos.com From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of John Formsma Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 5:37 PM To: pianotech at ptg.org Subject: Re: [pianotech] Hammer Technique: was Q & A Roundtable On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 6:44 PM, David Love <davidlovepianos at comcast.net> wrote: But the point was that tuning up to the target in a couple of quick small movements to prevent overshooting can be quicker and more stable than overshooting and settling things back down. Not sure it is necessarily more stable. I've tried several different ways, and can get the same stability with all of them. Some of them feel better than others, and the piano does make a difference in what lever technique works best. I don't see how a normal overshoot, one string at a time, can make a tuning less stable. After all, the net tension stays the same as if you use those small movements without overshoot. (Assuming that's possible.) Overshoot is not necessary if you apply counter pressure to the pin to offset the tendency for the twisting and bending motion to pull it sharp, but I'm not going to revisit the entire thing here. It's in the piece that I wrote and the application of that type of counter pressure was the main point. A couple years ago, I thought I was doing the above with great success. But nowadays, I'm not so sure. <G> Whatever I'm doing works, but I'm not sure I could describe it very well using words. I think we basically find what works well for us as individuals. -- JF -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech.php/attachments/20110201/fb301f7f/attachment.htm>
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