With that kind of pitch raise, I would tell the customer that I would ave to come back in 2-3 weeks do do another tuning. Some actually have me come back - and - others don't care and are atisfied with the way it sounds. These are probably the ones that have t tuned every 10-20 years. 99% of the time, it is all up to the customers "money belt". Are they illing to pay for a "follow up" tuning. Duaine Now we're getting into "selling" yourself, and a pitch raise/tune job. A "normal" tuning is $XX. For that, you spend x amount of time, (I think you said you take about an hour and half). To do a pitch raise, which is immediately followed up with a "normal" tuning, is probably going to take you 2 and half hours. So for that, you should charge at least time and a half more. I would explain that the piano is badly out of tune, and requires extra work, and charge accordingly. This way you leave the piano in better tune when you leave, but then can recommend that you follow up in 3 - 6 months. (which I realize most won't do). But at least you know that you left the piano in good condition, and you made a little extra money. But this is a business decision with which you might not agree. Wim -----Original Message----- From: Duaine Hechler <dahechler at att.net> To: pianotech <pianotech at ptg.org> Sent: Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:39 am Subject: Re: [pianotech] Thanks and further comments On 02/03/2011 01:25 PM, tnrwim at aol.com wrote: * Pitch raising (and lowering) with RCT is extraordinarily accurate and fast. * Because it's software, RCT can be easily revised, allowing constant innovation. The latest version can be downloaded from the Internet. * RCT creates super-accurate tunings from low bass to high treble because six notes are sampled (A1, A2, A3, A4, A5 and A6) at as many as four partials three times each for a total of 63 sampled partials. All partials are automatically measured and recorded to a one-hundredth of a cent! * RCT creates aural-quality tunings because it directly matches sampled partials - exactly what aural tuners do every day. * Small (and all scale-challenged) pianos never sounded better! RCT automatically senses and compensates for short scaling in spinets, small grands, etc. Note point 4 Duaine I hope you read Dale's message. The pitch raise procedure is a very good one, one that will get the piano "in the neighborhood" of where you want it to be, to tune the piano. The pitch raise directions say nothing about it being the end result. So when you tell us that the piano sounds good to you, when we all know that a piano that just suffered through a 300 cents pitch change isn't capable of being in tune, what are we supposed to think about your qualifications as a piano tuner? Which is what I, and most everyone else on this list, have been tying to tell you. All ETD programs are very good, and they give tremendous results. But the tuning an ETD gives is not supposed to be considered the end result. It is designed to get you there 95% of the way. Now, it's up to each individual how much more accurate they want the piano to be in tune. From what we've read on this list, apparently there are quite a few people who are satisfied with 95% accuracy. But if that's all you're capable of, then that's your choice. And it's also your choice not to want to get any better, either because you don't want to, or are not able to learn. Wim ith that kind of pitch raise, I would tell the customer that I would ave to come back in 2-3 weeks do do another tuning. Some actually have me come back - and - others don't care and are atisfied with the way it sounds. These are probably the ones that have t tuned every 10-20 years. 99% of the time, it is all up to the customers "money belt". Are they illing to pay for a "follow up" tuning. Duaine -- uaine Hechler iano, Player Piano, Pump Organ uning, Servicing & Rebuilding eed Organ Society Member lorissant, MO 63034 314) 838-5587 ahechler at att.net ww.hechlerpianoandorgan.com - ome & Business user of Linux - 11 years -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech.php/attachments/20110203/974fa57c/attachment.htm>
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