[pianotech] re. Changing dampers on a Steinway Upright

Encore Pianos encorepianos at metrocast.net
Tue Feb 8 10:06:35 MST 2011


Well, Joe, I think you bring up some interesting ideas

 

If your overriding concern/preference is to preserve or duplicate what is
there, then that is a choice that you can properly make.  With instruments
that are quite elderly and likely to be considered an antique, I am
completely reluctant to make any changes in the design of the instrument.
Indeed, I do not touch them at all and refer these instruments to the
specialists who are trained to take care of them because I fear destroying
their value as antiques by making uninformed decisions concerning their
restoration.  I'm with you so far.

 

Changes in damper system design are part of the evolution of the instrument.
The early pianos had primitive damping systems, but also did not require the
damping efficiency of modern pianos because they were not as loud or
sustaining, and musical ears of that time had different expectations of what
damping should be. As the tensions and number of strings increased, as
soundboards were steadily improved towards what we would consider modern
designs (starting in the last 100 to 130 years), the dampers had a lot more
work to do because there was a lot more energy to shut off.  And the
expectations of the artists changed too.  (I would submit that the public
had little to do with these preferences, as they were probably as oblivious
as they are today).  It was the artists who demanded change as the
instrument evolved, and the manufacturers responded to their desires with
design changes that moved the instrument forward.  

 

Let's go back to the trusty old 1902 Steinway upright that I am redesigning
the damper system for in my example of before.  Is this what we would
consider a "modern" piano?.  If we are comparing it to a modern K-52, I
would submit that it is.  Most of the differences between the two lie in the
action.  The soundboard system and stringing scale are pretty similar.
Damping requirements are going to be about the same, if we are holding the
two instruments to a single standard of damping efficiency.  For me, the old
damper system design is not adequate.  K-52's are used for low end concert
service, and I would submit that musicians would not be satisfied with the
older style, and would prefer the modern K-52 damper design because it
simply damps better and is more controllable.  

 

We need to have that conversation with our customer as to what their
expectations for their instrument are.  If they prefer that it remain as
much like it was as possible, then I would make decisions in my restoration
process to best respect that.  And that could mean preserving the damper
system more or less as it was, except with new felt that duplicates the old.
That is clearly what you do, fair enough.  

 

But when I discuss with my customers how I can improve the damping of the
piano by making modifications, they make the decision to allow me to go
ahead.  And they are always happy with how much better the damping is,
because that is important to them musically.  

 

A number of us who do make such modifications DO understand what is going
on. It IS an improvement in damping.  

 

As for Mason and Hamlin trying to be what it is not, please explain.

 

As for the makers choosing to keep things the same, where does inertia and
indifference fit in here?  J

 

Will 

 

From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf
Of Joseph Garrett
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 11:11 AM
To: pianotech
Subject: [pianotech] re. Changing dampers on a Steinway Upright

 

Frank said:

"Consider the tiny little dampers even on concert grands of 100 or so years 

ago (not to mention square pianos!). It would appear that damping 

efficiency was not a great priority back then. Of course, we can 

significantly improve damping efficiency fairly easily, today. As with any 

design change, consideration must be given to preserving the original design


vs. improving performance. I am generally inclined to improve performance 

unless there is a compelling reason to do otherwise."

 

Frank,

Most techs are too quick to "change" what they don't understand, IMO. You
are somewhat correct, in your assumption "...that damping efficiency was not
a great priority back then." I'm sure you are aware that most manufacturers
made Overdamper Uprights right beside "modern" uprights. And, "modern"
Grands right along side  of Square Grands. Have you ever considered WHY? I
would submit, to you, Consumer Demand is the reason. It is my supposition
that there was a demand for that "Sound", (which I further imagine as a
replica of the sound of a previous time, i.e. early 1800's - "just like
grandma's piano"!) By the late 1800's the industry KNEW how to make a piano
dampen, (in our eyes/ears), properly. They just chose not to make them all
the same. (Like so many cookie cutter types of today, I might add!) For some
reason, our society, (and the musical society), wants "sameness".
Personally, I prefer the wild differ ences of bygone eras. The huge
differences of the Grotrians/Steinways/Mason-Hamlins/Pleyels/etc, was what
MADE those companies, IMO. Today, we hear a Mason Hamlin that is trying to
be something it is not. The same applies to most other manufacturers, as
well, IMO.  

Keeping that in mind, please do not rush to Change what you percieve to be
an improvement, unless, it really is an "improvement"! In the case of Square
Grands, do not EVER try to install unichord/bichord/trichord dampers! You
will create the biggest mess you can possibly imagine. I've had to untangle
many of such messes. The same goes for over-damper uprights. Please do not
do that?!! IF a client complains about "poor damping" in an instrument, we
are quick to rush in and say: "I can fix that"..(by altering the design).
Many such re-designs negate any of the character of what WAS that individual
piano. Hence, more "cookie cutter crap", IMO.

Thanks for listening,

Regards,

Joe

 

 

Joe Garrett, R.P.T.

Captain of the Tool Police

Squares R I

 

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