[pianotech] pianotech Digest, Vol 28, Issue 103

Boaz Kirschenbaum pianotuner at gmail.com
Wed Feb 9 02:08:39 MST 2011


The Swedish upright action must be a copy of the old Bechstein upright
action. It looks identical to the 1904 Bechstein I have in the shop. Those
springs kind of get in the way as I recall.

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On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 6:04 PM, <pianotech-request at ptg.org> wrote:

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>   1. Re: Hailun soundboards (George F Emerson)
>   2. Re: What Just happened (Susan Kline)
>   3. Re: Refining Damper lift (Mr. Mac's)
>   4. Re: Bridge pin locations help (image oops) (Thomas Cole)
>   5. Swedish upright (limhseng at gmail.com)
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "George F Emerson" <pianoguru at cox.net>
> To: <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 01:02:52 -0500
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Hailun soundboards
>  No, it is not a translation issue ....well, not Chinese to English
> translation, rather Marketing-ese to Technician-ese.  The marketing folks
> wanted to avoid any association with the terms "laminated" or "plywood," so
> they came up with a term totally irrelevant to the soundboard structure,
> implying a convex shape, expecting that the consumer would have no idea what
> it really means, obscuring the reality with fancy rhetoric.
>
> It reminds me of a famous English French horn player.  A group of younger
> horn player were complaining of the impossible technical difficulty of a
> ridiculously fast scale run in a classical masterpiece. (Rites of Spring,
> maybe?)  The Englishman's response was, "Just wiggle your fingers about and
> dazzle 'me with science, Boys."
>
> Here is the Technician-ese translation:  The Hailun soundboards in uprights
> and smaller grands is laminated.  They have three plies with a lumber core,
> and veneer laminations, top and bottom.  Unlike traditional plywood, the
> surface veneer is at 15 degrees to the core (not 90).  The design intent is
> to preserve much of the flexibility of a solid panel, with the resistance to
> cracking of a laminated board, the best of both worlds.
>
> To read what another manufacturer might write to describe the exact same
> thing might sound like something entirely different, in Marketing-ese.
>
>
> Frank Emerson
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* J Patrick Draine <jpdraine at gmail.com>
> *To:* pianotech at ptg.org
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 08, 2011 9:32 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [pianotech] Hailun soundboards
>
> It appears to be an inexact translation of a spec list/description. Gimme
> the original Chinese and I'll see if I can do better.
> Patrick Draine
>
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 8:56 PM, Mckeever, James I <mckeever at uwp.edu>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> The soundboard on Hailun uprights and smaller grands is described as
>> follows:
>>
>> "All mountain spruce with 15 degree spruce meniscus coating for climatic
>> resistance and flexibility."
>>
>> Never heard of it!  Is it a good thing?  How might it affect the sound?
>> The Hailun's I have played are surprisingly resonant, with good sustain.
>>
>> Comments encouraged!
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jim McKeever
>> University of Wisconsin-Parkside
>>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Susan Kline <skline at peak.org>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 22:06:11 -0800
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] What Just happened
> Possibly a very little kid was playing around with computer buttons?
>
> I'm not investigating, though.
>
> On 2/8/2011 7:48 PM, Mr. Mac's wrote:
>
>> On Feb 8, 2011, Malinda Dobrins wrote:
>>>
>> replied to 16 emails with no message
>>
>> Keith
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Mr. Mac's" <tune-repair at allegiance.tv>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 00:47:11 -0600
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Refining Damper lift
>
> > On Feb 8, 2011, at 12:26 PM, The Davis Family (Mark, Janine, William,
> Stephen & Matthew) wrote:
> >
> >>
> > … After the initial adjustment of the damper levers, in a grand, so that
> the dampers lift as one unit in general with the pedal and so that the
> damper begins to lift when the hammer is approx halfway to the strings, how
> does one go about the refinement procedure so that 1.  All dampers are
> lifted by the key when the hammer is halfway to the string.  I find it
> difficult to assess and know how to go about this refining.  And, 2.  All
> dampers move as one unit?
> >
> > I understand that one uses strips of paper of various thickness and that
> one might need to iron felt.  What I really would like to know is the
> process of assessing for refining and how one goes about the actual refining
> for damper lift to hammer and to pedal?
>
> Mark,
>
> 1) Allowing all the key board felts are in good condition
>    (front rail punchings, balance rail punchings, back rail cloth)
>   and allowing key height and key travel are correctly adjusted,
>   you get all the dampers to move as one unit by adjusting
>   all the damper wires in the under lever top flanges
>   until they move as one unit when lifted by the under lever frame
>   while at the same time making certain the damper heads
>   are aligned with their respective strings.
>
> 2) For individual key lift it is best to have the same
>   thickness of under lever key cushions that will produce the results you
> want.
>   Choose the correct thickness and that should eliminate
>   for the most part individual shimming and ironing.
>
> That's a start.
>
> Keith
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Thomas Cole <tcole at cruzio.com>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 23:50:43 -0800
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Bridge pin locations help (image oops)
> Lee Dobrins,
>
> The pianotech mailing list just got over two dozen posts from Malinda
> Dobrins sent from your email account. They were all replies with no text
> added. Thought you might want to know about it.
>
> Tom Cole
>
> On 2/8/11 7:02 PM, Malinda Dobrins wrote:
>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mr. Mac's" <tune-repair at allegiance.tv
>> >
>> To: <pianotech at ptg.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 4:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Bridge pin locations help (image oops)
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 5, 2011, at 2:23 PM, Ron Nossaman wrote:
>>>
>>>  On 2/5/2011 2:18 PM, Mr. Mac's wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 5, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Ron Nossaman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Shoulda asked, man...<G>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No doubt, dude, but those myths prevail.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And when all is said and done yet again, they still will. This false
>>>> beat thing is more resistant to science and good sense than anything else
>>>> I've ever seen in this business.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hey, Ron,
>>>
>>> On this Baldwin M I wrote about under
>>>   the Subject: Cybertuner vs OnlyPure,
>>> I had a number of numerous single string false beats
>>>  in the upper treble.
>>>
>>> So I did the CA thin treatment on the bridge pins in conjunction with
>>>  the tuning visit.
>>>
>>> Spectacular results!
>>>
>>> Thanks for another great reminder of the truth of things.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Keith McGavern, RPT
>>> http://www.ptg.org/chapters/oklahoma/
>>> http://pianostuff.kamcam.com/
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: limhseng at gmail.com
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 09:03:15 +0000
> Subject: [pianotech] Swedish upright
> Hi list
> This Swedish upright has a unique action. There is a cord and spring at
>  the jack area.
> Lim
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