Hi Duaine, No offense intended here but, you did cut down the RPT's in your email a tad, so I suppose a little comeback or retaliation from some of them could be expected then. J I do agree however, that there are certain members, both PTG and non members, that do tend to cut down other members, sometimes often and sometimes without provocation, hesitation and unnecessarily. Never did care for that. Jer From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Duaine Hechler Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 12:15 AM To: pianotech at ptg.org Subject: Re: [pianotech] advertising On 01/25/2011 09:10 PM, tnrwim at aol.com wrote: <snip> The bottom line, Duaine, and we've gone this route before, don't down grade the importance of being an RPT. The reason, as you said, you can't become an RPT is because you can't pass the tuning exam. In other words, when are you going to become a "real" piano tuner? Wim I knew someone just could not resist - an insulting comeback. So lets digress into an aural tuning: First you tune A-440 - okay Next to start to tune in each direction. so as you are tuning upwards - everything is moving, flexing, etc. Then you start tuning downwards - everything is moving, flexing, etc. Which in turn makes everything you have just tuned start moving, flexing, etc. So now you have to go back and recheck the upper half. Being logical about this, that means you are - always - going to be "chasing your tail" Oh so you want to add - stretch - okay - what does that mean. Stretch - each note - how far - too far - not far enough - how do you know how far is far enough. This again is more of "chasing your tail" Plus, you now have to take into consideration you have to make a 150-200 cent pitch correction. This again is more of "chasing your tail" Now I see why aural tunings take 2-3-4 passes. Okay, for all you "real" tuners - can you produce, on the same piano, an exact copy of your tuning every time you tune the piano - me thinks - not. Now, for some of you "professional" tuners, say you are tuning for a symphony or something similar, and for example, they liked your tuning the last time, so you had better not be conceded enough to tell me that you can tune a piano - e x a c t l y - the same - e v e r y - time - again - me thinks - not. So if your last tuning was graphed, and the next tuning was graphed, then they would be - e x a c t l y - the same - if they would be - I would consider you some sort of genius and a freak. All I know about is Cybertuner, so, that is why Dean has patents on all this stuff because everything I described above has been proven to be predictable enough and calculate-able enough to develop this kind of software. Which in turn, has been proven several times, to be just as good as aural tunings - in - one - pass. And, better, in my mind, because you can tune a piano exactly the same - every - time. Bottomline, Wim, the "real" tuner, at least with regard to Cybertuner, would be Dean. -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding Reed Organ Society Member Florissant, MO 63034 (314) 838-5587 dahechler at att.net www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com -- Home & Business user of Linux - 11 years -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech.php/attachments/20110126/1a0647fa/attachment.htm>
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