Hi David, You’re right, they were mismatched alright. Thanks for the clarification. The thing had false beats too. J From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of David Stocker Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 8:37 PM To: pianotech at ptg.org Subject: Re: [pianotech] in response to a post Jer, I would not call that a false beat, which is usually when one string has a beat all by itself. I do not find that throws my ETD off at all, and unisons can almost only really be tuned by ear anyway. You had mis-matched bass strings. It is mostly where the windings didn’t match, and the partial ladder does not agree. I will usually tune my regular pattern tuning one string to the machine, then the second as sounds best to my ear. At the end of the first pass, I play the octaves into the bass and adjust accordingly. Most are ok, a couple will need changing. Actually seeing RCT read the difference helped me understand the problem. David Stocker, RPT Tumwater, WA From: Gerald Groot <mailto:tunerboy3 at comcast.net> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 07:41 To: pianotech at ptg.org Subject: Re: [pianotech] in response to a post Marshall, You have to watch telemarketing big time. If people are on the Do Not Call Registry and you call them anyway and they report your phone number to the Do Not Call Registry and I am one to do this because I am listed with them, it is a HUGE fine. Something like $10,000!!!! So, watch that!! EDT’s are not infallible and have a very difficult time picking up false beats at times. Bad ones in particular and mismatched strings. For fun, I had a piano this past Friday that I tuned, where one string was, well, just God Awful!! Impossible to in tune because of not only having false strings but, it sounded like a universal wire, just horrible. RCT wanted to place one of the two bass wires pretty close to in tune, but, not exactly. The better of the two. The other one, however, it wanted to tune WAY FLAT! About 2-3 beats per 2nd flat or thereabouts, I didn’t count it. I turned RCT off and finished the whole bass by ear. That’s why, it’s important to be able to tune by ear too. The hammer could have been warped too but, many pianos install them with very little clearance at the factory to begin with or with lousy traveling…. Jer From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Marshall Gisondi Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:14 AM To: pianotech at ptg.org Subject: [pianotech] in response to a post Hi Chuck and others who esponded to my post. Thank you for the encouragement and great ideas. I've used some of them with customers. I'm also going to try a little telemarketing as well, residential listings. I'll let everyone know how things went. I did test it one day, and a guy answered. I said my name and that I'm a piano technician in the area. He said I have a joke fo ryou. the one we've all heard about tuning a piano and not a fish. So I figured, this might be interesting, calling people. so I'm curious. I asked earlier, but I'm not sure if my question reached you guys yet. Can an ETD pick up on false beats, and if so how does it handle them? What does it do with the harmonics in the bass? That picture with the hammer on the Walter, could the hammer flange screw be loose, twisted shank as mentioned, loose hammer head, flange misspaced when the screw was tightened? Back to EDTs, I knew of a guy when I first started to explore piano technology back in 04 who used a Peterson. Man that thing was huge. Have you guys used those? When he pulled the thing out, I was like what on earthis this thing? It was larger than my coffee maker. One other thing. I've only been to one convention so far while attending the school, but when I join the PTG and it will be soon as soon as the funding arrives, I sure hope and pray that nonsense bickering like we've seen on this list doesn't happen there especially since these conventions cost money. I'll demand a refund. lol Marshall Marshall Gisondi Piano Technician Marshall's Piano Service pianotune05 at hotmail.com 215-510-9400 www.phillytuner.com <http://www.phillytuner.com/> Graduate of The School of Piano Technology for the Blind www.pianotuningschool.org <http://www.pianotuningschool.org/> Vancouver, WA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech.php/attachments/20110130/c5487451/attachment.htm>
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