Ladies and Gentlemen, I bring you the most incredible story from the Dark Side, (otherwise known as the Higher Logic, [yeah right], bullcrap list): "Subject: Re; Polyester and Aliphatic Urethane? Message: This message has been cross posted to the following Discussions: Pianotech and Casework and Finishing . ------------------------------------------- Dear Folks, It was an interesting day. Hope some of you re-finishing gurus are looking for a little action in here. Short story; can aliphatic urethane (Devcote 379, I believe) be applied over a polyester finish? And stay there? Long story; Picture a Yamaha C7 at a local performing arts center with a small ding on the fallboard, and two matching dings on the lid. A piece of equipment (lighting) was dropped and hit hard enough to punch through the finish. None of these marks larger than a quarter. Small. I suggested a reputable refinisher, skilled in poly-repair and also a quote from Yamaha on simply replacing the two pieces. This would be the fallboard, and the front 'apron' of the lid; the rectangular piece we fold over when we open the piano. No brainer, right? The refinisher is actually working in a space at the Yamaha dealer for goodness sake! You'd think there was no issue or thought required. Done deal. Ah....no. One of the part-time stagehands (I kid you not), offers that he can fix that right up. Take a day and get 'er done. Cheap, too. After all, he said; "It's lacquer. My Devcote 379 with a dash of converter will bond right to that." And proceeded to 'fix' the broken 'lacquer' finish with this product. But...he oversprayed on the lid, and got some on the body of the instrument. Gee...guess we need to get that too! Oh, and the rest of the lid to keep things shiny bright and beautiful. Perfect, just perfect. A $45,000.00 piano in the hands of a man who cannot identify lacquer from polyester. So, the simple repair turned into a COMPLETE coat of this product on the entire piano. When I walked in this afternoon he was busy putting this stuff onto the cheekblocks (locking them into place, of course) and the keyslip (locking that into place), and yes....even the pedal lyre and the dang stage-dolly under the piano! Swallowing my instant fear and cry of anguish; I suggested that we could pull the parts off the piano, to give him better control and access, and removed the cheek blocks, action, music desk, fallboard, and pedal lyre from the piano. Then pulled the rods from the pedal lyre. And cautiously suggested that using acetone and other liquids (whatever in that finishing brew) over the piano strings, and then rubbing it out with dust and finish blowing around, might best be done with the strings and soundboard masked from the dust and drips. 'Are you a re-finisher?' he asks. 'Nope' says I. 'I leave that to the professionals!'. Nodding, and satisfied, he followed my suggestions. He promised to mask the legs seperately, and spray them discreetly from the body, he promises that they won't be welded with the finish to the piano. No...they are not removed. Nor is the lid, despite my offer to help get that simple precaution done. So....what say the professionals? Can you safely sand a 1996 Yamaha C7 high-density high-gloss polyester finish, wash it with acetone, and put a shiny coat of 'aliphatic resin' on that for a permanent and long-lasting shiny piano? I thought he meant carpenter's wood glue, for one scary second...but caught a glimpse of the actual can. I believe it was Devcote 379 aliphatic urethane, a can of Devcote 379 'converter', and a gallon of matching 'Thinner' whose product list included Benzene, Tuolene, and a host of similiar substances. Success ratio? Drying time of this product, if sprayed today? Average humidity on the Oregon Coast currently approaches 80-90%. And the piano is less than 2 miles from the ocean. Temperature? Cool. Not exceeding 70, nor dropping below 50 at night. Piano on loading dock, guys. Piece of tin between it and outdoors, once they shut the damn two-story rolling monster. Why ask about drying? Curious about that are you? Why? Because, for good measure; the piano is being borrowed by the Newport Symphony on Friday morning. Moved 50 miles from its present location on the loading dock (...just inside the wide-open 40-ft door, for ventilation don't you know). For a two piano performance....with a Mason-Hamlin BB on Saturday afternoon. Can I get an 'Amen?' Respectfully, I am, Awaiting your input, ------------------------------------------- Jeffrey T. Hickey, RPT" I'm at a loss for words on this one. Joe Joe Garrett, R.P.T. Captain of the Tool Police Squares R I
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