That would give you a generic temperament for one style of piano. The result would not be refined, as would a good aural tuning or proper use of a good ETD give you. This from someone, who when he found that a good ETD would give him a consistently good tuning and has been using one since 1975. I had a mishap once when the machine broke down. I found that my aural skills were not good enough, so I purchased a spare ETD. I have had a university contract for over 20 years. They have 41 pianos. Dropped the contract when I turned 70, but after one year of not doing them, they encouraged me to come back, and with a raise. So an ETD can result in a comfortable living being made. End result is that the customer must be satisfied with your work, then they will get you back again. I have been to approaching 20 conventions, and they have all been a positive experience, and well worth the expense. John Ross Windsor, Nova Scotia On 2012-11-11, at 1:21 PM, Duaine Hechler <dahechler at att.net> wrote: > Yes, I will do this experiment when I get time. Right now I'm swamped with player work. > > Also, I will need to check the pitch pipe because it is pretty old, like 25 years, and I'm sure it was in tune when I first got it. > > Duaine > > On 11/10/2012 08:25 PM, tnrwim at aol.com wrote: >> Duaine. >> Instead of us answer the question, "can a pitch pipe be used to set a temperament?", why don't you figure this out your self. You use a RCT, which is a very good ETD. Program the RCT as if you were going to tune the whole piano. Then take a pitch pipe and tune the temperament octave, matching the piano as close as you can with the pitch pipe. Then check the temperament octave with what the RCT says. No cheating. If the RCT is not dead on with each string you tuned, then you've not tune the temperament correctly. >> Duaine, many of us have a lot more experience tuning pianos, and have been doing it far longer than most of us care to admit. Don't you think that after 40, 50 ,or even 60 years, the collective us have tried almost every means possible to tune a piano, and have found that the best way is still tuning the piano using the senses God gave us. There is nothing wrong with using a ETD, but in the final analysis, it's our ability to hear to music of the piano that produces the best results. I don't understand why you won't accept that. >> Wim >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Duaine Hechler <dahechler at att.net> >> To: pianotech <pianotech at ptg.org> >> Sent: Sat, Nov 10, 2012 4:07 pm >> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Possible adaptation for the Tuning Exam >> >> A pitch pipe can be tuned with an ETD. Also, the pitch pipe is an octave, so >> that would cover a temperament. >> >> OK, so if the pitch pipe is not accurate enough, then how about pitch forks for >> setting the temperament ? >> >> Duaine >> >> On 11/10/2012 07:14 PM, John Ross wrote: >> > How about a pitch pipe isn't accurate enough. >> > What is wrong with you using a tuning fork? >> > You are just talking about one note, right? The C or the A. >> > Setting a temperament, is more than one note. >> > Or, am I misunderstanding, your understanding, of what a temperament is? >> > John Ross >> > Windsor, Nova Scotia >> > On 2012-11-10, at 8:00 PM, Duaine Hechler <dahechler at att.net <mailto:dahechler at att.net> <mailto:dahechler at att.net <mailto:dahechler at att.net?>>> wrote: >> > >> >> Why can't several of you stop bashing me and stick to the frickin' subject at >> hand. >> >> >> >> Or maybe, just maybe, you did not understand the subject so here it is again. >> >> >> >> Why can't a pitchpipe be used to set the temperament ? >> >> >> >> So let's try and stick to the subject, please ? >> >> >> >> Duaine >> >> >> >> On 11/10/2012 05:15 PM, paul bruesch wrote: >> >>> And it has always, without fail, fallen on "deaf ears"... so quit responding >> to this drivel and move on. Maybe, just >> >>> maybe, if no one ever responds it'll quit coming. >> >>> >> >>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Jason Kanter <jkanter at rollingball.com <mailto:jkanter at rollingball.com> <mailto:jkanter at rollingball.com <mailto:jkanter at rollingball.com?>> >> >>> <mailto:jkanter at rollingball.com <mailto:jkanter at rollingball.com?>>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I know many of us have tried to tell you this many times over the years, >> but this is in fact the bottom line. >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Duaine Hechler >> >> Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding >> >> (314) 838-5587 /dahechler at att.net <mailto:dahechler at att.net> <mailto:dahechler at att.net <mailto:dahechler at att.net?>> / >> www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com <http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com> >> <http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com> >> >> Home & Business user of Linux - 12 years >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> Duaine Hechler >> Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding >> (314) 838-5587 /dahechler at att.net <mailto:dahechler at att.net> /www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com <http://www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com> >> Home & Business user of Linux - 12 years >> > > > -- > Duaine Hechler > Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ - Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding > (314) 838-5587 / dahechler at att.net / www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com > Home & Business user of Linux - 12 years > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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