[pianotech] The most intense taekwondo fight ever!

[David Boyce]

Perhaps I watched the video with a certain "baggage". I will come to 
that in a moment.

I do not think I agree that "we should refrain from any posts that don't 
have at least music involved".  We are a nice little community here, and 
although 99% of what we post is piano technology related, there is 
surely scope for the little extras from time to time, as amusement or 
information shared among friends.

I for one am glad that Del posted the fascinating table animation, as an 
example of craftsmanship in wood (and in animation) and in design and 
its execution.

Especially where a list member has been a regular contributor over 
years, posting relevant and interesting information, and contributing 
usefully to discussion threads, there must surely be some leeway for 
such persons to occasionally send things to ths list which are not 
directly about music.

What seems less permissible to me, however, would be for any who don't 
make regular useful contributions, to post off-topic things about, say, 
religion or politics which others, who may have strongly different 
views, feel constrained by good manners and respect for the list, not to 
reply to.

Regarding the particular martial arts video with the toddlers, perhaps I 
reacted with a particular distaste because a couple of years ago the 
media here in the UK covered the story of two young pre-school children 
forced by their disgusting slatternly mothers to fight, and filmed on a 
cellphone for adult amusement. I don't mean martial arts fighting in a 
training setting. I mean a punch-up at home.  The mothers wre arrested 
and the children, as far as I  recall, taken into care.

In trying to find this story online, I have discovered that there 
appears to be a plethora of such cases, in various different countries. 
I could post links here, but you can Google it.  One such case in the UK 
- not the one I was seeking, gives us these charming details, as 
reported in The Daily Mail:

"A cruel couple who were captured on tape forcing two little children 
aged under eight to have an armed fight have been jailed.Ian Barclay, 
20, and Gemma Mattinson, 26, made the boy and girl brawl then laughed 
and cheered as the youngsters cried in pain and through fear.  The 
shocking incident was captured on a mobile phone at a house in 
Gateshead, Tyne and Wear, and showed the girl, wearing a pink dress, 
being ordered to kick, punch and hit the boy with a broom, which is much 
bigger than her. Both children could be heard sobbing as the boy tried 
to hide behind a sofa but was dragged across the floor and banged into a 
radiator by Barclay.Several distressed people left the public gallery at 
Newcastle Crown Court in tears yesterday as the three-minute film was 
played.  Prosecutor Glenda Turnbull told the court: 'The defendants 
encouraged the children to fight each other.'They were both instructing 
the girl how to attack the boy, telling her what to do, bringing the 
children together, providing her with plastic sticks and a broom to use 
against him.'The video footage is distressing, the children are 
crying.'Miss Turnbull said it is unclear what injuries the children 
suffered. Barclay can be heard shouting 'punch him, kick him, nut him' 
on the tape and the girl is given sticks and a broom to use as a 
weapons.  When the children tried to separate they were pushed back 
together and goaded into fighting more, despite them screaming in 
terror.  The pair were arrested when the person who taped the cruelty 
showed the footage to a relative of one of the children.  Mattinson, 
from Gateshead, told police she didn't realise what went on was 'quite 
as bad' until she saw the footage.Barclay, from Gateshead, said it was a 
'joke that had gone too far'.  Both of them admitted child cruelty 
charges and have previous convictions for violence, though not against 
children.Judge Roger Thorn jailed them both for eight months each".

Cases from the USA and other countries can also be found.

It struck me forcibly, watching the video from the link on this list, 
that the young children were dancing about in that manner because they 
did not want to tackle or fight each other.  I could be wrong.  I see 
that their movements could be construed as amusing, but I thought the 
whole thing, including the laughter, very distasteful.  I am as entitled 
as a list member responding to an item posted to the list, to my view,  
as others are  to theirs.  To my mind it is a pity, in a world filled 
with strife, to see toddlers trained in combat.

Best regards,

David.


On 28/11/2012 23:39, pianotech-request at ptg.org wrote:
>
> Although I don't usually like Duaine's posts, I thought this was 
> rather cute.  Even if it didn't having to do with pianos or even music 
> at all!
>
> We should refrain from any posts that don't have at least music 
> involved however. It's getting a bit out of hand. Let's stick to the 
> topic please!
>
> I liked the littler (is that a word?) kid trying to back kick, though. 
>  Pretty funny.
>
> Paul
>

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