[pianotech] who pays?

[paul bruesch]

Re the "Hexagrip Pinblock", the site says, "The tighter the grip on the
tuning pins, the longer the piano stays in tune."

Oh, really?

Paul Bruesch
Stillwater, MN

On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 7:36 PM, David Love <davidlovepianos at comcast.net>wrote:

> Except that those folks have been rebuilding Steinways for decades with no
> apparent reaction from the mother ship.  I think that the current designer
> showcase stuff that’s become the rage has prompted their more aggressive
> stance.  ****
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> I will say, there is something in the ad that does bother me.  That’s the
> publication of prices of secondary market parts along with the argument
> that they are cheaper therefore inferior.  Even putting aside the more
> expensive therefore better argument for the moment, the Steinway parts list
> is basically a retail price list as any schmo can call up Steinway and
> order parts.  The prices listed for the other parts are actually supply
> house prices and wholesale prices, at least technically.  You have to apply
> for and get an account to purchase and get those prices.  Taking that into
> consideration, the retail prices of the competitor parts are easily
> comparable if not more than the Steinway parts.  In addition, publishing a
> list of the names of various manufacturers and making an unsubstantiated
> argument that their parts are inferior strikes me as libelous.  ****
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> David Love****
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> www.davidlovepianos.com****
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> *From:* pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Dale Erwin
> *Sent:* Friday, October 19, 2012 5:05 PM
> *To:* pianotech at ptg.org
> *Subject:* Re: [pianotech] who pays?****
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> David ****
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>   As always a lot of truth to your words.  ****
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>  ****
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>  I personally think that their "Stein-was"strategy is largely driven by
> the heavily vocal design change Steinway cando no right group. Steinway
> clearly has a market share in rebuilding their pianos to protect--i.e., **
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> Maybe so but  I also think its also driven by the less scrupulous folks in
> our industry just as much.****
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>   The PT. Barnum philosophy group that beleives "there is a sucker born
> every minute". Some folks when they get done with pianos will move on to
> the next thing they can use to bilk folks with.****
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>  I'm not done but more later****
>
> Dale****
>
> *Dale Erwin R.P.T.
> **Erwin's Piano Restoration Inc.**
> **Mason & Hamlin/Steinway/U.S. pianos
> **www.Erwinspiano.com**
> **Phone: 209-577-8397**
> *
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>   ****
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Love <davidlovepianos at comcast.net>
> To: pianotech <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Sent: Fri, Oct 19, 2012 2:18 pm
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] who pays?****
>
> It's a little out of context.  The question is the criticism of Steinway for****
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> marketing themselves the best way they know how using a strategy that they****
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> think will be most effective.  I personally think that their "Stein-was"****
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> strategy is largely driven by the heavily vocal design change Steinway can****
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> do no right group.  Steinway clearly has a market share in rebuilding their****
>
> pianos to protect--i.e., they make money there.  Their greatest (or you can****
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> also argue weakest) asset is that the pianos that come out of their facility****
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> will be faithful to the current Steinway designs.  I've seen several factory****
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> rebuilds that were fine and some that weren't.  The same can be said of****
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> independent rebuilders.  ****
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> We all pick and choose the kind of promotional angle we think will serve us****
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> the best whether it's that we employ design changes seeking improvement or****
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> that we remain faithful to the original concept.  That Steinway promotes****
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> themselves as the best avenue to rebuild vintage Steinway pianos should come****
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> as no surprise.  If they were Nossaman, Erwin or Love pianos, if we are not****
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> being disingenuous, we would be making the same claim and probably by****
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> somewhat bothered by people making design changes.     ****
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> David Love****
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> www.davidlovepianos.com****
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> -----Original Message-----****
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> From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org <pianotech-bounces at ptg.org?>] On Behalf****
>
> Of Ron Nossaman****
>
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 11:58 AM****
>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org****
>
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] who pays?****
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> On 10/19/2012 1:03 PM, David Love wrote:****
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> >  Would****
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> > you want someone stretching strings over every rebuild/redesign that ****
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> > you've done and drawing conclusions about the rest of your work based ****
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> > on that one piano?****
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> That was exactly the situation with all of us who had a piano at that****
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> showcase. The difference is that most of the people looking at our pianos****
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> had only ever seen that one example of our work, where a lot more of us have****
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> seen more than one example of the Steinway basement rebuild.****
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> Ron N****
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