Ron O: I've changed the subject line here since we are going in a different direction. Having also built *a* board that was too stiff I would argue that it doesn't take much doing at all for that to happen. Nor do I think it is a problem that only manifests itself in the killer octave. Of course the killer octave (or high treble) area can start to jangle if the energy can't get out through the board itself and escapes through the capo. Mass loading can remedy that but I don't think a mass loaded board that is too stiff sounds the same as one in which the impedance was right and is lighter in weight. It will be diminished in power. Further, a board which is too stiff can have very negative consequences in the midrange and bass as well. While a controlled and focused tone can result, the board can lack a certain liveliness and drive at the upper dynamic level when needed. As to the stability of lower impedance boards I think it depends on how you build them and what kind of hammer you put on them. Rib crowned boards with slightly less compression than, say, full compression boards starting with flat ribs, will be much more stable over time. Further, a smart choice of hammers with lower density and strike weights which will offer plenty of energy input for lower impedance boards will help balance the equation (lower impedance boards should have lower tension scales as well). My main point (at least for the sake of other soundboard builders out there) is that thinking that you are building in a smart safety margin protecting against impedance which is too low can easily get you building something which is too high and the result may not be what you hoped for. Naturally, there are other considerations as well, rib scalloping, panel thickness and thinning, etc... These all factor into the equation as well. I'm referring to the rib scale mostly. Here I think the target is smaller than we might think. David Love www.davidlovepianos.com -----Original Message----- From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Overs Pianos Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 4:14 AM To: pianotech at ptg.org Subject: Re: [pianotech] Bridge agraffes FYI David and all, I'd agree that building a board which is too stiff is less common. I have built one which was too stiff in the killer area, but it takes some doing. Your comment that most makers might err towards lower impedance - I'd tend to agree with this. A lower impedance board tends to sound better when its first built, unless it is taken to an extreme, as one of the high class German makers still does. But it doesn't seem to take long for lower impedance boards to start honking. Ron O. >Or its companion of overcompensation and building assemblies that are >too stiff. > >David Love >www.davidlovepianos.com > > >Hi all, > >Indeed, and the lower bridge root height would tend to allow the board >more flexibility over its speaking area, which would lower impedance >and would allow for something of a more distorted tone, ie. >honking tone. Lack of board stiffness would seem to be one of the most >commonly overlooked factors, when it comes to tone building. > >Ron O. -- OVERS PIANOS - SYDNEY Grand Piano Manufacturers _______________________ Web http://overspianos.com.au mailto:ron at overspianos.com.au _______________________ A web page with images of recent work and almost-audio-CD quality mp3 sound files of the Overs piano can be found at; http://overspianos.com.au/more_info.htm So put on your headphones, plug them into your freshly restarted computer and sit back to over 20 minutes of pure piano. _______________________
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