<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2719.2200" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi David ,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It is only ugly if you let the CA get = away from you and run all over the place. And never use the kicker as it turns the CA = white if too much is used. I also think that when too much kicker is used it must = weaken the glue.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>Joe Goss<BR><A href="mailto:imatunr@srvinet.com">imatunr@srvinet.com</A><BR><A href="http://www.mothergoosetools.com">www.mothergoosetools.com</A></DI= V> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=ilvey@sbcglobal.net = href="mailto:ilvey@sbcglobal.net">David Ilvedson</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 02, = 2002 10:15 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Old Timers Please = Vote was Loose Tuning Pins Solution</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>Kevin = again,</DIV> <DIV align=left> </DIV> <DIV align=left>Re-reading, I see you were talking about if every = pin was loose and of course and of course removing pins/CA wouldn't be an option.  I have heard people swear that thin CA will get down = into the block...I haven't tried it and I'm sure it is UGLY...!</DIV> <DIV align=left> </DIV> <DIV align=left>David I.</DIV> <DIV align=left> </DIV> <DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original message ----------------------------------------><BR>From: "Kevin E. = Ramsey" <<A = href="mailto:ramsey@extremezone.com">ramsey@extremezone.com</A>><BR>= To: "Alan R. Barnard" <<A href="mailto:mathstar@salemnet.com">mathstar@salemnet.com</A>>, = Pianotech <<A = href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A>><BR>Received: = Wed, 2 Oct 2002 18:56:27 -0700<BR>Subject: Re: Old Timers Please Vote = was Loose Tuning Pins Solution</FONT></DIV> <DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR>Alan, I don't = consider myself much of an "Old-timer" since I'm still under 55, but I've had great success = with sandpaper. It must be cloth backed, though. I'll use 60 or 80 grit, = doesn't seem to matter much, because the grit faces outward anyway. When I = first got into tuning, I bought an old junker huge upright that was basically = shot, had to shim a lot of pins. I tuned that old wreck three four times a day = for a year and a half to two years. The cloth backed sandpaper worked like a = charm, felt as good as a decent pinblock, and didn't wear out. That's = probably more tunings than a regular piano would get in fifty years. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    I wouldn't try to = use this method on a piano that has every pin loose, but for the few, it's been = great. If a piano has bushings, and most do, I don't see how CA glue can get = to the block.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    Kevin E. = Ramsey</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">I have had excellent results with the old #80 or #60 sandpaper shims. And<BR>haven't noticed any jumping  or other naughty behavior = on the part of the<BR>shimmed pins.<BR><BR>What advantages do you see in = using the leather?<BR><BR>How about leather vs. sandpaper vs. veneer strips?<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>