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<DIV>That's why I suggested starting with a proper geometry anaysis. =
Then using
the likely new parts, analyze the geometry again with the new parts. The =
piano
this guy described is nothing new. Happens all the time.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>What Dale said may well be true, but that would also incorporate =
the
assumption that the action was set up properly originally. That might be =
a big
assumption.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Terry Farrell</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jkanter@rollingball.com =
href="mailto:jkanter@rollingball.com">jason
kanter</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=pianotech@ptg.org
href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, May 01, 2004 =
1:45
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Spam Alert: Re: 1906 =
Stwy
wippens</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>Thanks all for your rich set of responses. =
Meanwhile,
please, I need your reaction to this:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>I have tuned the piano a couple of times, =
filed the
godawful hammers, and done a quick regulation. During this, I =
pointed out
to client the lack of jack regulating screws. He then discussed this =
with a
pianist friend from New York, who sent this remark:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>"The knuckles (felt covered with buckskin) on the hammershank are =
probably misshapen or compressed also. I am sure that the little jack =
felts
could be replaced, but it would be a lot of work and I don't know how =
final
adjustments are made. Everybody in NYC area replaces the whole action =
on
pianos that vintage, and when that works the piano can be dreamy to =
play. It
often does not work out quite that well unfortunately - over the years =
Steinway used at least seven different sets of dimensions for their =
parts -
varying here and there by a millimeter or so - and there are also many =
sizes
of new parts, so it takes a bit of experimentation to get it right. A =
lot of
technicians don't even come close; I have seen many new actions that =
were just
too heavy to play. Yesterday Reinhard was trying to get a 1888 B to =
play that
had just been rebuilt at the Steinway factory . They had sent it back =
to the
owner with a new action that was around 75 grams instead of 48. =
Unplayable. He
was trying to improve it with key leads - Steinway had randomly =
removed a
bunch, so one key was 80 grams and the very next maybe 55. They also =
had used
new Steinway whippens which had a flat heel which did not match AT ALL =
the
angled capstan in the key, so that added to the fucked up feel. Piano =
keys,
and all the action parts move in slight arcs. The original Steinway =
parts
accommodated that for perfect power transfer. Along the way Steinway =
seem to
have forgotten that, so new pianos and parts are manufactured thinking =
that
keys and action parts go straight up and down, no pivoting, no =
arcs."</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT><FONT face=Verdana></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>But Dale says "The Stwy factory wippen is a =
great part
& it fits every piano they ever made without having to change
buttons". I'd wager that Dale knows a thing or two more than this =
pianist, but there must be some underlying facts to account =
for the
pianist's opinion. Thoughts?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>Meanwhile I will certainly get the Renner =
kit, look up
Ed McMorrow, and study a bit about action geometry. The client doesn't =
want to
do the major work just yet, and is delighted with the improvements I =
have made
... "The piano sounds beautiful after your work, much more even, less =
harsh,
and the action is much, much smoother and lighter. I've been =
making some
notes about some slight variations in voicing, but overall it's a huge =
improvement."<BR></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
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black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Erwinspiano@aol.com
href="mailto:Erwinspiano@aol.com">Erwinspiano@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=pianotech@ptg.org
href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, May 01, 2004 =
8:20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: 1906 Stwy =
wippens</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 4/30/2004 7:31:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, =
<A
href="mailto:jkanter@rollingball.com">jkanter@rollingball.com</A>
writes:</DIV>
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</DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=mailto:jkanter@rollingball.com
href="mailto:jkanter@rollingball.com">jason kanter</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=mailto:pianotech@ptg.org
href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 30, =
2004 9:33
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> 1906 Stwy =
wippens</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>Client has a beautiful 1906 =
Steinway B.
It will need new hammers and shanks (misshapen knuckles). The =
wippens
have moth damage, and they are the old jack style that had no =
jack
positioning screw. The capstans are set at an angle. Will new =
wippens
fit this old action? Or should I refurb the old =
wippens?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana
size=2>Jason</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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<DIV>
Jason</DIV>
<DIV> The Stwy factory wippen is a great part & it =
fits
every piano they ever made withoput having to change buttons</DIV>
<DIV> DAle</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>