<HTML>In a message dated 11/5/01 2:34:40 PM Central Standard Time, davidlovepianos@earthlink.net (David Love) writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I thought the usual amount to overpull was 25-30% and that the SAT calculated it at 30% based on a bottom to top pull unisons as you go method.</BLOCKQUOTE> Oops on my part, you're right, David.  I use muting strips and usually use a value of 1/3 (33%) as my offset.  For a 120% raise, this would mean +40 cents. Even if this amount were adjusted as the tuning progressed, it would hardly seem possible for each note to settle to within +/- 2 cents of target pitch which would be the minimum amount needed for a fine tuning. By the way, I may have jinxed myself by making that "Krummy Konsole" remark.  My first appointment this morning was a 45 year old Art Deco Baldwin (the kind it takes at least 20 years experience to know how to take apart), -70 cents low in pitch and virtually all hammers stuck with verdigris. I always try to look at this kind of thing on the positive side:  I know how to take it apart, I know how to raise the pitch and I have Protek which will free the sticking hammer butt flanges.  I told her what a lovely, unique looking piano she has and that it would take just a little more than usual to get it working and in tune.  I raised the pitch in a 2 pass tuning to -20 cents.  I did what I know how to do and got double the usual fee and was still on time to my next appointment.  She was more than pleased to pay the fee. I also unplugged the uncontrolled dehumidifier and explained why.  When I was asked when it should be tuned again (instead of *telling* her) I simply said "...whenever you feel that the *music* requires it." Bill Bremmer RPT Madison, Wisconsin</HTML>