<HTML><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff">In a message dated 10/30/04 9:25:10 P= M Pacific Daylight Time, sec@overspianos.com.au writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-= LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-= LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">PIANO TOPIC -</BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARG= IN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Why do I often find myse= lf correcting over-sharp high treble on pianos</BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-= LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">someone else has tuned? I k= now by the time you get to the last 1-2</BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-= LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">octaves, they're going to b= e sharpish if you've correctly stretched your</BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-= LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">octaves, but even so, I'm s= till bringing it down. Is the high treble more</BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-= LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">inclined to go super-sharp = with humidity due to the short scale, or am I</BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-= LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">legitimately cleaning up af= ter over-compensation?</BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-= LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">How do you aural tuners out= there make out your octaves in that highest</BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-= LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">treble zone? Can you descri= be what you're hearing? I know that for me, I</BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-= LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">am listening with a tuner's= ear and checking with a musician's ear at that</BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-= LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">point. How about you?</FONT= ></BLO= CKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE> Ilex, I find the treble too sharp on many pianos where I'm following up anothe= r tuner--myself included!  Many of the pianos I tune are new, and very = susceptible to environmental change, and change from pitch raising or loweri= ng. And then there are those that I tune where the previous tuner was older,= a known imbiber of spirits(which also denigrates high-end hearing), or a le= ad guitarist in a heavy metal band.   For me, the best way I've found to get appropriate stretch in the right-= hand side of the piano is to tune the 5ths and 12ths as perfect as possible = without making octave and double octaves too wide.  To my ears, it is a= very natural sounding stretch that often--though not always--agrees with my= etd.  As per another thread, the musicality of this is very dependent = on the voicing of the hammers. I would highly recommend getting a pocket pc based etd.  I've found= that I use the calendar and contact features as much as Tunelab.  Just= be sure to have everything backed up.  DAMHIK. Dave Stahl </HTML>