<html><body> <DIV>Hi William,</DIV> <DIV>I thought changing the head is easier than changing the tip.  I kept hitting my hand on the piano when tuning. I think I have the 5 degree head that came with the 21schaff hammer.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Someone mentioned a Jahn hammer.  I've seen one of them. The're pretty neat.  I also saw a hammer that had a screwdriver handle.  </DIV> <DIV>Marshall</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- From: "William Benjamin" <pianoboutique@comcast.net> <META content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)" name=Generator> <STYLE> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} </STYLE> <STYLE>  </STYLE> <DIV class=Section1> Marshall,<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> I would suggest you use a 15 degree knuckle and a number 2 medium tip.   You might try a long number 2 tip for those places that you mentioned.   Personally I have a Number 2 long tip with a 15 degree knuckle in my tool kit, because it is easier to change that way in the field.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> William<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <DIV> PIANO BOUTIQUE<o:p></o:p> William Benjamin<o:p></o:p> Piano Tuner Extraordinaire<o:p></o:p> <A href="http://www.pianoboutique.biz/">www.pianoboutique.biz</A><o:p></o:p> The tuner alone,<o:p></o:p> preserves the tone.<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center> <HR tabIndex=-1 align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </DIV> From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of pianotune05@comcast.net Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 3:15 PM To: Pianotech List Subject: Re: tips<o:p></o:p></DIV> <o:p> </o:p> <DIV> Thanks Steve. I'll check it out.  I'm curious if the higher degree tips will help me in tight spots and where the piano and handle often meet on tall uprights.<o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> Marshall<o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV>  <o:p></o:p></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Steve Fujan" <sjfujan@gmail.com> <o:p></o:p> <DIV> Marshall,<o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV>  <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> The probability is very high the Watanabe tips will fit your new Schaff lever.  I have not seen a 20 degree head from Schaff or PianoTek.  For 20 degree heads check out: <A href="http://www.colemantools.com/">www.colemantools.com </A>.<o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> Regards,<o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> Steve Fujan<o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> <A href="http://www.fujanproducts.com/">www.fujanproducts.com</A><o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV>  <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> On 2/17/06, <A href="mailto:pianotune05@comcast.net">pianotune05@comcast.net</A> <<A href="mailto:pianotune05@comcast.net">pianotune05@comcast.net</A>> wrote: <o:p></o:p> <DIV> Hi Steve,<o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> Do these tips fit the Schaff #21 lever, the rosewood one?  I experienced the tip problem on Wednesday while tuning a Straube piano.<o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> Marshall<o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> <DIV>  <o:p></o:p></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Steve Fujan" <<A href="mailto:sjfujan@gmail.com" target=_blank> sjfujan@gmail.com</A>> <o:p></o:p> <DIV> Don,<o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV>  <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> I've sold quite a few of the Watanabe tips.  They have much better fit and consistancy than what I have seen of the recent Schaff tips.  If you are just buying tips, I suggest getting them from PianoTek Supply <A href="http://www.pianoteksupply.com/" target=_blank>www.pianoteksupply.com</A>.  I sell them also, but must mark them up to cover costs.<o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV>  <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> Good luck,<o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> Steve Fujan<o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> <A href="http://www.fujanproducts.com/" target=_blank>www.fujanproducts.com</A>  <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> On 2/16/06, Don Price <<A href="mailto:dcp3@twol.com" target=_blank>dcp3@twol.com</A>> wrote: <o:p></o:p> List   -  I've used the Hale hammer (lever), heads and tips for umpteen years.  Needing to replace a couple of tips and since Hale is not longer in business, I ordered from Schaff.   The Schaff tips fit the threads on the hammer O.K., but the tip doesn't fit the pins as well as the Hale tips did.   The Schaff tip seems to fit well on the pin at the very end of the tip, but there seems an extreme amount in and out play (on an upright) on the end of the hammer.   On a twelve inch hammer length, the end of the hammer will move in/out 1 1/2 to 2 inches.   The Hale tips let the hammer end move less than 1/2 inch. Do any of you have a recommendation for another place to find tips which provide a better fit with the pin? Thanks. Don _____________! ! __________________________________ Pianotech list info: <A href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives" target=_blank>https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</A><o:p></o:p></DIV> <o:p> </o:p></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV> <o:p> </o:p></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></body></html>